Phaneuf to Oilers (fair warning - it's Eklund)

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Definitely isn't a trade I would make, to Edmonton or Colorado. I think Phaneuf is more valuable to us right now, however if Nonis pulls another rabbit out of a hat for another big name blueliner, I could be swayed. Even more so if Rielly is ready this September.

 

[bustaheims]

Adrian Dater is projecting that rumbling into a Phaneuf for Stastny situation, fwiw.

I don't see that happening at all.  You could argue both are somewhat overpaid but I think Phaneuf's value to Toronto is far higher than Stastny's is to Colorado.  I would think the Avs want to get younger to line with the rest of their group of players vs. taking on Phaneuf.

Yeah. There'd have to be something fairly significant coming to the Leafs in addition to Stastny for something to work for the Leafs.

 

[Tigger]

Adrian Dater is projecting that rumbling into a Phaneuf for Stastny situation, fwiw.

I don't see that happening at all.  You could argue both are somewhat overpaid but I think Phaneuf's value to Toronto is far higher than Stastny's is to Colorado.  I would think the Avs want to get younger to line with the rest of their group of players vs. taking on Phaneuf.

I think that's right, if Stastny is available it shouldn't take Phaneuf to get him. Dater is playing with the math and the situations based on recent rumour but it's interesting to see that Phaneuf is 'out there'. I'm really not sure what each could fetch, or how the Leafs replace Phaneuf, but it's interesting to consider the potential launch pad this season could be if the cap is to go up significantly next year ( with the tidy little buyout savings too ).

 

[Corn Flake]

Adrian Dater is projecting that rumbling into a Phaneuf for Stastny situation, fwiw.

I don't see that happening at all.  You could argue both are somewhat overpaid but I think Phaneuf's value to Toronto is far higher than Stastny's is to Colorado.  I would think the Avs want to get younger to line with the rest of their group of players vs. taking on Phaneuf.

Yeah. There'd have to be something fairly significant coming to the Leafs in addition to Stastny for something to work for the Leafs.

My earlier thought (hope) was Stastny for Liles and maybe a prospect.  This would be really good (probably way too good) for the Leafs to free up the space on defense and depth chart vs. salary imbalance back there, and get a 1st line centre in the process.

 

[Bonsixx]

My earlier thought (hope) was Stastny for Liles and maybe a prospect.  This would be really good (probably way too good) for the Leafs to free up the space on defense and depth chart vs. salary imbalance back there, and get a 1st line centre in the process.

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

For what it's worth, I think Liles is OK. I don't mind if he stays or goes.

 

[Zee]

My earlier thought (hope) was Stastny for Liles and maybe a prospect.  This would be really good (probably way too good) for the Leafs to free up the space on defense and depth chart vs. salary imbalance back there, and get a 1st line centre in the process.

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

For what it's worth, I think Liles is OK. I don't mind if he stays or goes.

I'm ok with Liles too, I have no idea why Carlyle seems to not trust him.

 

[Tigger]

Adrian Dater is projecting that rumbling into a Phaneuf for Stastny situation, fwiw.

I don't see that happening at all.  You could argue both are somewhat overpaid but I think Phaneuf's value to Toronto is far higher than Stastny's is to Colorado.  I would think the Avs want to get younger to line with the rest of their group of players vs. taking on Phaneuf.

Yeah. There'd have to be something fairly significant coming to the Leafs in addition to Stastny for something to work for the Leafs.

My earlier thought (hope) was Stastny for Liles and maybe a prospect.  This would be really good (probably way too good) for the Leafs to free up the space on defense and depth chart vs. salary imbalance back there, and get a 1st line centre in the process.

That's too far the other way... something in between? Isn't that where Franson came into play in previous trade musings? Not that I want to see him go but, y'know...

 

[louisstamos]

My earlier thought (hope) was Stastny for Liles and maybe a prospect.  This would be really good (probably way too good) for the Leafs to free up the space on defense and depth chart vs. salary imbalance back there, and get a 1st line centre in the process.

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

For what it's worth, I think Liles is OK. I don't mind if he stays or goes.

Although I think any deal for Stastny would be built around either Gunnarsson or Franson, you have to think that either a) the Avs have retain part of Stastny's salary (although since he only has one year left, that's not a bad thing) or b) they take salary back in the deal.  If the latter, I think they'd much prefer Liles over Komisarek or Grabovski.

 

[bustaheims]

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

Except that, you know, he wasn't. The overwhelming majority of the games he missed were due to injuries. In his final season as an Av, he played every single game he was healthy enough to suit up for. Even when he was a "healthy scratch" in 09/10, he was dealing with a lingering shoulder issue, and quite likely wasn't a true healthy scratch.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Adrian Dater is terrible, I don't trust him.

 

[Corn Flake]

Adrian Dater is terrible, I don't trust him.

True.  Mega homer.

 

[Bonsixx]

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

Except that, you know, he wasn't. The overwhelming majority of the games he missed were due to injuries. In his final season as an Av, he played every single game he was healthy enough to suit up for. Even when he was a "healthy scratch" in 09/10, he was dealing with a lingering shoulder issue, and quite likely wasn't a true healthy scratch.

D'oh. That's what I get for going by memory and a few scattered things I read about Liles on fantasy hockey news sites back then.

But, point remains, they traded him, for a second-round pick no less. Why take him back?

 

[Corn Flake]

Can't see any way the Avs take Liles back. He was a healthy scratch many times over his last two seasons there. I think they were happy to get rid of him when Burke came calling.

Except that, you know, he wasn't. The overwhelming majority of the games he missed were due to injuries. In his final season as an Av, he played every single game he was healthy enough to suit up for. Even when he was a "healthy scratch" in 09/10, he was dealing with a lingering shoulder issue, and quite likely wasn't a true healthy scratch.

D'oh. That's what I get for going by memory and a few scattered things I read about Liles on fantasy hockey news sites back then.

But, point remains, they traded him, for a second-round pick no less. Why take him back?

needs change and he is a known talent to them in the room and on the ice.  I look at their roster and a left side puck moving PPQB d-man is a big need.  Plus, I don't see how they move Stastny without taking some money back somewhere.  Liles would be more asset than liability in that sense.

 

[#1PilarFan]

Regarding Gagner:

Oilers offer centre Gagner a multi-year extension

Maybe if they can't work something out, they'll try to deal him, but it seems like the Oil want Gagner to stay.

 

[Corn Flake]

That's too far the other way... something in between? Isn't that where Franson came into play in previous trade musings? Not that I want to see him go but, y'know...

Maybe, yeah. So maybe we can include Franson + and work on getting Erik Johnson into the deal.  Mwwwahahahahaha..

 

[bustaheims]

But, point remains, they traded him, for a second-round pick no less. Why take him back?

Different coach. Different mix of players on the team. Need for veteran leader on the blueline. On top of that, to trade Stastny, they'll almost certainly need to take a contract back. Liles is on a shorter, relatively inexpensive contract. He still has the ability to be a useful piece for them, unlike a number of the other contracts around the league that teams will want to move in this type of deal.

 

[Corn Flake]

I would take Liles and his contract over a lot of the other puck moving / offensive d-men who have signed in recent years via UFA. Dennis Wideman anyone??!!

It's just a depth chart issue in Toronto.

 

[Tigger]

That's too far the other way... something in between? Isn't that where Franson came into play in previous trade musings? Not that I want to see him go but, y'know...

Maybe, yeah. So maybe we can include Franson + and work on getting Erik Johnson into the deal.  Mwwwahahahahaha..

Ha, not sure what the + would have to be there...

 

[Corn Flake]

That's too far the other way... something in between? Isn't that where Franson came into play in previous trade musings? Not that I want to see him go but, y'know...

Maybe, yeah. So maybe we can include Franson + and work on getting Erik Johnson into the deal.  Mwwwahahahahaha..

Ha, not sure what the + would have to be there...

Well that's why Nonis gets paid the big bucks... to figure out the + while I sit back and drink beer waiting for the trade.

 

[Britishbulldog]

But, point remains, they traded him, for a second-round pick no less. Why take him back?

Different coach. Different mix of players on the team. Need for veteran leader on the blueline. On top of that, to trade Stastny, they'll almost certainly need to take a contract back. Liles is on a shorter, relatively inexpensive contract. He still has the ability to be a useful piece for them, unlike a number of the other contracts around the league that teams will want to move in this type of deal.

Well, not to totally derail the 'Phaneuf to Oilers' thread but I am solidly in yours and Corn Flakes camp.  Colorado is tying up a lot of money in their 3rd center and could use Liles.  Saves Colorado a lot of salary as well.