Phaneuf to Oilers (fair warning - it's Eklund)

[CarltonTheBear]

Well, not to totally derail the 'Phaneuf to Oilers' thread but I am solidly in yours and Corn Flakes camp.  Colorado is tying up a lot of money in their 3rd center and could use Liles.  Saves Colorado a lot of salary as well.

Roy said that right now if they stay at first overall they are going to pick MacKinnon and he'll likely slot in as their 3rd line centre behind Duchene and Stastny. Ryan O'Reilly would be moved to the wing.

If you take his word for it, then it probably means none of those guys will be available for trade.

 

[Tigger]

If you take his word for it, then it probably means none of those guys will be available for trade.

...which sounds perfectly reasonable.

 

[Boston Leaf]

Is Patrick Roy coach and GM? Or just an attention grabbing loud mouth coach?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Is Patrick Roy coach and GM? Or just an attention grabbing loud mouth coach?

He's coach and VP of hockey ops. So he yeah he actually will be doing a lot of GM-ye things. I read that he'll be heavily used to conduct trade negotiations. He's in the same role that Nonis had when Burke was GM (plus coach of course).

 

[Boston Leaf]

Is Patrick Roy coach and GM? Or just an attention grabbing loud mouth coach?

ok thanks.. I guess he has the right to be talking about what they might do then
He's coach and VP of hockey ops. So he yeah he actually will be doing a lot of GM-ye things. I read that he'll be heavily used to conduct trade negotiations. He's in the same role that Nonis had when Burke was GM (plus coach of course).

 

[Corn Flake]

Well, not to totally derail the 'Phaneuf to Oilers' thread but I am solidly in yours and Corn Flakes camp.  Colorado is tying up a lot of money in their 3rd center and could use Liles.  Saves Colorado a lot of salary as well.

Roy said that right now if they stay at first overall they are going to pick MacKinnon and he'll likely slot in as their 3rd line centre behind Duchene and Stastny. Ryan O'Reilly would be moved to the wing.

If you take his word for it, then it probably means none of those guys will be available for trade.

But even Roy wouldn't come out and say he's trading one of them.

RoR on the wing would be rather odd. Worst case its buying time until they can move Stastny.

 

[Jalili]

I'd rather the Leafs keep Phaneuf. Despite his faults you're not likely to find a two-way D-man who eats a lot of minutes, gets the tough assignments, and is a team leader.

If it's been established that he won't be returning next year or wants a pay raise, that would be a different story.

 

[Stickytape]

I'd rather the Leafs keep Phaneuf. Despite his faults you're not likely to find a two-way D-man who eats a lot of minutes, gets the tough assignments, and is a team leader.

If it's been established that he won't be returning next year or wants a pay raise, that would be a different story.

I disagree about the "team leader" part, but I'd still prefer they keep him, too.

 

[Zee]

I'd rather the Leafs keep Phaneuf. Despite his faults you're not likely to find a two-way D-man who eats a lot of minutes, gets the tough assignments, and is a team leader.

If it's been established that he won't be returning next year or wants a pay raise, that would be a different story.

All depends on his salary demands going forward as well. Do you want Phaneuf paid like a #1 man with all his warts or cut him loose and look for some other option?

 

[moon111]

I'm more comfortable with the Leafs losing their #1 defenseman, Phaneuf with Reilly and Gardiner up and coming, then the Leafs losing their #1 center, Bozak with nobody up and coming.  If it could land a #1 center, I take the risk. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm more comfortable with the Leafs losing their #1 defenseman, Phaneuf with Reilly and Gardiner up and coming, then the Leafs losing their #1 center, Bozak with nobody up and coming.  If it could land a #1 center, I take the risk.

Why, when they have better #1 C options already on the team, would you be more comfortable with that scenario?  Doesn't make much sense to me. 

 

[ZBBM]

Boston announced they won't be re-signing Ference.  If there were a really good offer in place for Phaneuf, I'd be tempted to try to sign Ference for no more than a 3-year deal and let him mentor Gardner and Rielly, who are the future of the team's D.  Then deal Phaneuf.

Sure, there are risks since he's 34.  And he wouldn't be able to handle all of Phaneuf's minutes (but then again, neither can Phaneuf).  But his defensive game is solid and he would certainly provide veteran leadership.

Even if Phaneuf stays I think Ference is worth investigating seriously.

 

[Redleaf]

Boston announced they won't be re-signing Ference.  If there were a really good offer in place for Phaneuf, I'd be tempted to try to sign Ference for no more than a 3-year deal and let him mentor Gardner and Rielly, who are the future of the team's D.  Then deal Phaneuf.

Sure, there are risks since he's 34.  And he wouldn't be able to handle all of Phaneuf's minutes (but then again, neither can Phaneuf).  But his defensive game is solid and he would certainly provide veteran leadership.

Even if Phaneuf stays I think Ference is worth investigating seriously.

I'd be more tempted to keep Phaneuf and bring in Ference as well. This team needs more veteran D men. While Gardiner is ready for the NHL, Rielly may still be a few seasons away.

 

[Zee]

Boston announced they won't be re-signing Ference.  If there were a really good offer in place for Phaneuf, I'd be tempted to try to sign Ference for no more than a 3-year deal and let him mentor Gardner and Rielly, who are the future of the team's D.  Then deal Phaneuf.

Sure, there are risks since he's 34.  And he wouldn't be able to handle all of Phaneuf's minutes (but then again, neither can Phaneuf).  But his defensive game is solid and he would certainly provide veteran leadership.

Even if Phaneuf stays I think Ference is worth investigating seriously.

I'd be more tempted to keep Phaneuf and bring in Ference as well. This team needs more veteran D men. While Gardiner is ready for the NHL, Rielly may still be a few seasons away.

Tough to say with Rielly. Ideally you'd want the Leafs to take their time with him and give him a few years in the minors to learn his position. But then we've seen other success stories with dmen coming in at 18-19 and playing well so you never know. The big thing he has which can make up for mistakes is his great skating ability.  Similar to Gardiner you can't teach that. When a player can skate like that and "catch up" to his mistake pinches it looks a lot better in the end.  Contrast that to Schenn as a young D. When he got caught there was no way in hell he'd be able to skate back in time.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Boston announced they won't be re-signing Ference.  If there were a really good offer in place for Phaneuf, I'd be tempted to try to sign Ference for no more than a 3-year deal and let him mentor Gardner and Rielly, who are the future of the team's D.  Then deal Phaneuf.

Sure, there are risks since he's 34.  And he wouldn't be able to handle all of Phaneuf's minutes (but then again, neither can Phaneuf).  But his defensive game is solid and he would certainly provide veteran leadership.

Even if Phaneuf stays I think Ference is worth investigating seriously.

Ference in no way replaces Phaneuf. I think one big reason for his success is that he's been playing behind Chara for years so he never really goes up against the Phil Kessel's of the world. Still, I would be very interested in signing him. We could use his veteran presence in the top-4.

 

[moon111]

I'm more comfortable with the Leafs losing their #1 defenseman, Phaneuf with Reilly and Gardiner up and coming, then the Leafs losing their #1 center, Bozak with nobody up and coming.  If it could land a #1 center, I take the risk.

Why, when they have better #1 C options already on the team, would you be more comfortable with that scenario?  Doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sold on Kadri or Grabovski being able to play a system like Randy Carlyle is implementing.  He spotted Kadri into the easiest assignments.  Against tougher opposition, I think he would of been exposed.  Grabovski faced that tougher opposition, playing a team-first style and didn't do well. 
With only one year left on his contract, I could move Phaneuf for the right center without losing any sleep.

 

[Redleaf]

I'm more comfortable with the Leafs losing their #1 defenseman, Phaneuf with Reilly and Gardiner up and coming, then the Leafs losing their #1 center, Bozak with nobody up and coming.  If it could land a #1 center, I take the risk.

Why, when they have better #1 C options already on the team, would you be more comfortable with that scenario?  Doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sold on Kadri or Grabovski being able to play a system like Randy Carlyle is implementing.  He spotted Kadri into the easiest assignments.  Against tougher opposition, I think he would of been exposed.  Grabovski faced that tougher opposition, playing a team-first style and didn't do well. 
With only one year left on his contract, I could move Phaneuf for the right center without losing any sleep.

Carlyle didn't spot Phaneuf easy assignments, and I think he played well under RC's system. Not sure who would replace Dion if they traded him? I have to believe he's the type of defensemen they would like to have more of, not less.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Carlyle didn't spot Phaneuf easy assignments, and I think he played well under RC's system. Not sure who would replace Dion if they traded him? I have to believe he's the type of defensemen they would like to have more of, not less.

I've said this before, but I still don't get the dislike for Phaneuf.  Is it personal? Sure, he looks overpaid sometimes, but I think he's every bit of a 6 million dollar a year defenseman. Would people dump the guy over 500k a year?

 

[Kin]

I've said this before, but I still don't get the dislike for Phaneuf.

Opinions vary as to the quality of his defense/decision making.

 

[maplesyrup]

Personally, I don't take issue with Phaneuf on my team. The reality is that while it's not impossible to replace what he brings, it would be extremely difficult.