Pietrangelo Watch
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Yeah, I'm sure teams like Tampa have some advantage in that regard but things like capfriendly's tax calculators have always seemed poorly thought out. Players don't just take whatever tax rate they're subjected to and leave it at that. It's not that simple.
Guilt Trip
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I will guarantee you there are very few GMs thinking 7 years down the road. They don't produce and they're gone long before that. Dubas will worry about it then. Right now, not a chance. The cap should be way up by then anyway. Dubas' main thought now is how can I fit him in with/without dumping Nylander and every other scenario to fit AP in without killing the front line talent. It can be done if he gets rid of Johnsson and Kerfoot and signs a few UFA's on the cheap. It's going to be interesting if AP gets to the market. Teams will be lining up.Downtown said:
I?d be curious to know what we could get back if we tried to trade Marner. I?d probably look for a Nazem Kadri-level center for the 3rd line as the biggest piece back, perhaps a scoring winger prospect who might be ready to take the leap, and a badish contract for a third/fourth liner or 6th D to even out the money a little. 11 million out in cap hit, and 2-3 players for ~7-8 million back in. I?d be hoping Tavares could elevate our 2nd line players to 1st line performance as he has in the past. And our defense would be improved with Pietrangelo.
Not sure if there?s a team out there that would want to make that kind of deal.
Not sure if there?s a team out there that would want to make that kind of deal.
groundskeeper willie
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You might be able to talk Calgary into a deal for a package centred on Johnny Gaudreau. He's still youngish, signed for over $4 million less against the cap, and almost as good as Marner.princedpw said:
Rumours have the flames wanting to make big changes, but I still don't see the Leafs moving Marner.
Redleaf
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Expanding on my post on the draft page thread I think the Leafs need to spend this off seasons efforts on building up their back end . Our defensive weakness clearly showed once again against the blue jackets
Whether the piece moving out is Marner or Nylander you have a great opportunity to parlay that chip into some much needed Defensive help. I?d prefer moving Nylander myself.
I know everybody would like to trade Nylander for a defenceman of equal calibre to his offence and around the same age but that?s probably gonna be too difficult to do. So then you look around for an older defenceman that may be fit the bill and low and behold an opportunity may become available with Alex Pietrangelo.
Then you have to think that maybe you can also parlay Nylander , into an future star defenseman TOO with a trade to Ottawa or Anaheim for a chance to pickup Jamie Drysdale . 2 possible superstar defensemen for Nylander (or Marner)
And, as an added bonus there is the opportunity to possibly nab Askarov the best goalie in the draft (and described as a candidate for becoming a generational goaltender) with their 2nd pick. I would imagine that selecting a goalie is very difficult proposition if you only have one 1st round pick in the draft. The risks may outweigh the reward.
But that may shift a little In your favour if it?s your second first round pick being used. I think it takes a little of the heat off the pick at least from a public perception.
Outside shot the stars all align for this to unfold but you have to roll the dice and take big risks sometimes if you want to greatly improve your teams chances of winning the big prize sometime in our lifetimes.
Whether the piece moving out is Marner or Nylander you have a great opportunity to parlay that chip into some much needed Defensive help. I?d prefer moving Nylander myself.
I know everybody would like to trade Nylander for a defenceman of equal calibre to his offence and around the same age but that?s probably gonna be too difficult to do. So then you look around for an older defenceman that may be fit the bill and low and behold an opportunity may become available with Alex Pietrangelo.
Then you have to think that maybe you can also parlay Nylander , into an future star defenseman TOO with a trade to Ottawa or Anaheim for a chance to pickup Jamie Drysdale . 2 possible superstar defensemen for Nylander (or Marner)
And, as an added bonus there is the opportunity to possibly nab Askarov the best goalie in the draft (and described as a candidate for becoming a generational goaltender) with their 2nd pick. I would imagine that selecting a goalie is very difficult proposition if you only have one 1st round pick in the draft. The risks may outweigh the reward.
But that may shift a little In your favour if it?s your second first round pick being used. I think it takes a little of the heat off the pick at least from a public perception.
Outside shot the stars all align for this to unfold but you have to roll the dice and take big risks sometimes if you want to greatly improve your teams chances of winning the big prize sometime in our lifetimes.
Phileas Fogg
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Crake said:
The leafs would be crazy to dump their 22 year old top point producer for Gaudreau. That's absolutely nuts.
Guilt Trip
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Agree even tho Marner is 23!! Still a pup.Frycer14 said:
Guilt Trip
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I don't think either will go if they get AP. I think Kerfoot and Johnsson will be moved instead.Bender said:
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
Is he, though, or is he just the best UFA defenceman available in recent years. He?s a very good player, but I?ve never really thought of him really being in the truly upper echelons of his position.
He?d be a great addition to the team, but I don?t think I?d give up any of the Leafs high end young forwards to fit him in.
herman
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I think the Leafs can improve their defense by simply systematically committing their forwards to support the defense (Malhotra!).
Babcock looked at the defense and basically deployed a system that tried to ignore their puck handling incapability for a harder net front presence (stretch pass all the time, every time, with wingers not even touching the DZ).
Dubas has been getting puck handling defensemen every season he?s had some roster control. Win the boards more with fast feet and good sticks (where the puck lives most of the game), and get the puck moving up ice with support.
Babcock looked at the defense and basically deployed a system that tried to ignore their puck handling incapability for a harder net front presence (stretch pass all the time, every time, with wingers not even touching the DZ).
Dubas has been getting puck handling defensemen every season he?s had some roster control. Win the boards more with fast feet and good sticks (where the puck lives most of the game), and get the puck moving up ice with support.
Heroic Shrimp
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Nik said:
I think it's fair to say that the fact that he shoots right significantly increases his perceived value as a player. You could almost argue that the real or perceived value of a quality right vs. left shot defensemen is not unlike the real or perceived value of a center vs. winger.
Guilt Trip
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And that's the issue. How much do you weaken the forward crew?Bender said:
Without Kerfoot/Johnsson...
Hyman Matthews Marner
Robertson JT Nylander
Mikheyev Engvall Barabanov
Rodrigues Spezza Simmonds
That's a lot of pressure on the left hand forward group to produce and our 3rd line centre. Also depends on what you could get UFA's for. There are a few out there, bottom 6 guys that could help. Can you get a Simmonds/Thornton/Koivu for minimum/a mill? Would Koivu or Thornton be good options for 3rd/4th centres? I not sure they are. Maybe 1 of them or Spezza for the 4th line. Going to be interesting to see what Dubas can pull off.
Guilt Trip
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He's a true first pairing guy but I think I mislabelled him as elite. I don't think he's in Hedman's category but not far off.Deebo said: