Pre-Season: Sabres @ Leafs - Sept. 22, 7:00pm - LeafsTV, TSN 1050
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bustaheims
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TML fan said:
Well, no, the flawed logic actually in with the things some people want to believe is known about hockey in the league and about having guys that don't really contribute much other than fighting playing professional hockey.
Rebel_1812
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bustaheims said:
The rule was way before the bertuzzi incident and didn't come into play in that situation.
bustaheims
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sneakyray said:
I doubt he gets any regular season games, either. In fact, if he hadn't gone back for a 2nd slash, he probably wouldn't have received a suspension at all.
bustaheims said:
But that's not the argument we are having. I'm not debating the merits of fighting in hockey, nor am I taking a stand based on my beliefs about that topic, but simply stating a commonly accepted truth about fighting in the NHL. Furthermore, I'm not taking a player to task for basically defending himself from a combative person.
Rebel_1812
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sneakyray said:
Yeah, wish he would have 2 handed chara like that. Then he would have had some space.
It blows my mind that people here would suggest that a player like Devane trying to make a career under a coach like Carlyle, who really likes tough hockey, should turn down an offer to fight because he is tougher than challenger??? WTF are you guys thinking?? The kid would never see the ice again under this coach. He did exactly what he should have done in this situation.
Bullfrog
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Just watched the replays a number of times. Have to say busta, totally disagree with your stance on this. I want fighting and enforcers out of the game just as much as anybody, but Devane was justified in entering that fight. Tropp knew what he was getting into.
And Clarkson, what a buffoon. Will probably earn respect amongst his teammates, which I suppose is good, but what a stupid decision.
And Clarkson, what a buffoon. Will probably earn respect amongst his teammates, which I suppose is good, but what a stupid decision.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
Or, you know, that just highlights the larger issue many of us have with Randy Carlyle as the coach of this team. What happened tonight with Devane and everything his decision ended up leading to is really just a symptom of Carlyle's poor philosophy when it comes to putting together an NHL roster.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
The teams that played tough physical hockey with real success didn't have player that didn't contribute anything other than fighting see regular ice time. The Hawks were near the bottom of the league in fighting majors last season, and were miles ahead of everyone all year. They were also near the bottom of the league when they won in 2010. The Bruins, when they won the Cup, didn't have anyone who just fought. Everyone in their lineup contributed in other ways. Same goes for the Kings. For years, the Wings were among the best teams in hockey without having a real enforcer on their roster. The Pens had one in 2009, but were still near the bottom of the league in fighting majors. So, yeah, getting guys into the lineup because they can fight well and supposedly intimidate has really done wonders for teams in the league in recent years.
bustaheims
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Bates said:
So, basically, what you're saying here is that, because it appeals to the lowest common denominator, it's good? Because, I mean, there would have been just as many butts in those seats if there wasn't a single fight in the league, and the Leafs and the league would have made just as much money. People don't go to games to see fights they have the UFC for that.
maplesyrup
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Only got updates via here and twitter for this one... Seems I missed a great game as far as the preseason goes. Bernier made some new fans it seems. 
There are only so many players who can contribute and fight against a legitimate heavy weight. If you don't have one you still need to have someone who can physically keep your team in the game. You only have to look at previous example of effect Scott had on Sabres after they were physically demoralized by Bruins last year.
Some thoughts.
Devane doesn't really have an option to walk away from that fight. This is a preseason game, he's fighting for a job and it wouldn't matter what team he was trying to earn that job with. For that matter so is Tropp while also having some nhl experience under his belt, he should know better if that matters..., anywho being a bigger man here doesn't earn Jamie the result he's looking for in this case nor does it earn Tropp anything for not trying. I do wonder if Tropp banged his head on the ice...
Did Bozak get jumped in that line scrum and look relatively hapless (hopeless) ?...I see 5 minutes for Ruhwedel but only a 10 minute misconduct for Bozie...
If Gardiner can bring those kinds of moments over a season we have a special player on our hands.
Bernier played and fought well, nice to see... shades of Potvin though no Hextall.
Did Lupul play?
Clarkson should know better, dumb, however this may come back to the Leafs as an 'all for one' moment, if they have any success. Still, dumb.
Kessel seems like he's playing tougher, and a little crazier, hopefully that bodes well as it seemed to tonight.
When it comes to the Leafs I always hope for the best but fear the blue and white auger's well may have run dry again, I think they're in decent shape overall, hopefully that's a well founded notion.
Devane doesn't really have an option to walk away from that fight. This is a preseason game, he's fighting for a job and it wouldn't matter what team he was trying to earn that job with. For that matter so is Tropp while also having some nhl experience under his belt, he should know better if that matters..., anywho being a bigger man here doesn't earn Jamie the result he's looking for in this case nor does it earn Tropp anything for not trying. I do wonder if Tropp banged his head on the ice...
Did Bozak get jumped in that line scrum and look relatively hapless (hopeless) ?...I see 5 minutes for Ruhwedel but only a 10 minute misconduct for Bozie...
If Gardiner can bring those kinds of moments over a season we have a special player on our hands.
Bernier played and fought well, nice to see... shades of Potvin though no Hextall.
Did Lupul play?
Clarkson should know better, dumb, however this may come back to the Leafs as an 'all for one' moment, if they have any success. Still, dumb.
Kessel seems like he's playing tougher, and a little crazier, hopefully that bodes well as it seemed to tonight.
When it comes to the Leafs I always hope for the best but fear the blue and white auger's well may have run dry again, I think they're in decent shape overall, hopefully that's a well founded notion.
moon111
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The league should have 12 linesmen on the ice so guys like Clarkson don't have to defend against Sabre antics. Seriously, I'm not upset by Clarkson's actions. Having team depth allows you cover for suspensions, injuries, benchings. Scott could of Bertuzzi'd someone out there.