R1, G7: Bruins vs. Maple Leafs - May 4th, 8:00pm - SN, TSN 1050
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Guilt Trip
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Well they might...they all have NMCs.TBLeafer said:
Peter D.
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We'll be able to dissect this all summer long, but come back in the series down 3-1, miss Matthews or Nylander for 5 of the 7 games, 2-1 OT loss by the most fortuitous of (and planned) bounces in Game 7 -- I can't get myself too worked up over it.
There will be change. I liked the extra grit that was infused. They were a different team this year. In the end, when your best players only take control in two of the seven games (Matthews Game 2, Nylander Game 6), and your three other best players (Tavares, Marner, Rielly) regressed or were damn near invisible, it's not going to get the job done.
Keefe's a good guy. I actually didn't mind Treliving keeping him around this year to give him a chance to see what he can do when not attached to his buddy Dubas and can be his own thinker. But it was the same story this year. He has now wasted 4+ years of three of the best players in the league with absolutely nothing to show for it but one Round 1 win. He has to go.
There will be change. I liked the extra grit that was infused. They were a different team this year. In the end, when your best players only take control in two of the seven games (Matthews Game 2, Nylander Game 6), and your three other best players (Tavares, Marner, Rielly) regressed or were damn near invisible, it's not going to get the job done.
Keefe's a good guy. I actually didn't mind Treliving keeping him around this year to give him a chance to see what he can do when not attached to his buddy Dubas and can be his own thinker. But it was the same story this year. He has now wasted 4+ years of three of the best players in the league with absolutely nothing to show for it but one Round 1 win. He has to go.
Bill_Berg
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I want to say they finally figured it out in game 5, but like I said before, it's just too late. They can't roll it back again. But as someone posted, they may have to due to NMCs. If they do, the '25-'26 season is ours! And I think McDavid comes the year after!
Also, fuck the haters!
Also, fuck the haters!
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
When you can?t reliably score two goals a night, goaltending is so far down the list of reasons you lost it?s barely worth mentioning. If you need to have your goalies allow no more than 1 goal a night, they?re not the issue.
Leafs need an upgrade on Sammy, but outside of game 1, I can?t put much blame on him. He gave the team a chance to win in every game they showed up for. They didn?t seize the opportunities.
bustaheims
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What I see as the biggest reasons the Leafs couldn?t pull this one off:
Everything else are things winning teams can fight through.
- Atrocious power play
- One goal in regulation in 4 of 7 games
- Too many bad turnovers
- Unnecessary penalties early in the series
- Coaching staff taking too long to adjust/not having a back up strategy
- No show in game 4
- Marner only showing up for one or two games
- Unreliable depth scoring
- Poor defensive coverage at key moments
- Key players not playing at 100%
Everything else are things winning teams can fight through.
4EVRLEAFAN
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Nice to read some of the comments and see some are finally getting it, this tram is not right, time for major changes, at minimum, Shanahan, Keefe and at least one of the core 4 have to go, if Tavares stays take the C off, Samsonov gone and maybe Rielly as well, Woll is a tough one, he's awesome but injury prone, I feel bad for him but we can't have a goalie that always gets hurt.
This version has gone 0-7 in game 7's, scored 2 of less goals in 13 playoff games, the PP was 1-21 and the game winner last night was just brutal. 100% unacceptable, time for pain again and blow this team up.
This version has gone 0-7 in game 7's, scored 2 of less goals in 13 playoff games, the PP was 1-21 and the game winner last night was just brutal. 100% unacceptable, time for pain again and blow this team up.
Guilt Trip
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We all know there are other issues but goaltending is not far down that list.bustaheims said:
Outside of GM1? What about GM3 and GM4? He was not good in either. What about last night?
Neither of those goals can go in yet somehow they do. How many soft goals did Swayman let in? ZERO.
They played good enough to win but Sammy didn't. Switch goalies and we win that series even with the crappy special teams.
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
The whole team didn?t show up in game 4. They scored 1 goal last night. Neither of those are on Sammy. If you need your goalie to be perfect or you don?t provide them any support, that?s not on them. Game 3, a power play goal could have completely hanged the outcome, and Samsonov still gave them a chance to win. Those ?soft goals? were much more about piss poor defensive play than anything else.
You don?t win in the playoffs with a useless power play. That?s how it?s always been. The only game they didn?t get goaltending that was good enough for them to win was game 1. Every other game, a power play goal, a stronger effort to get in Swayman?s eyes, etc., and they could have won. Samsonov may not have won them any of those games, but he didn?t lose them either. When you score 2 or fewer, the skaters are the problem.
4EVRLEAFAN
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bustaheims said:
Sorry but completely disagree on Sammy he let in far to many soft goals the game winner last night was just brutal, way out of position back in the crease, you have to come out and challenge the shooter or play the puck, just horrible, and yes I get Marner and Reilley should of had Pastrnak and our offence was a disaster.
bustaheims
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4EVRLEAFAN said:
If the Leafs have even average power play production - which is really not much to ask - and not if that matters. That?s the point. The goaltending was, in fact, good enough to win. The offence was not.
Blaming the goaltending is easy and lazy. The fact is, with the ineptitude of the offence in this series, even with Hasek in his prime, the Leafs were going nowhere. 12 goals in 7 games is a huge failure in execution and coaching. They represent the biggest flaws for the team in these playoffs.
4EVRLEAFAN
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bustaheims said:
It's not lazy in any way shape or form, why can't you get this!! Your goalie is the one position in hockey that can change everything, look at Bobrovsky last year without him no way Florida goes to the finals, when your team is struggling your goalie becomes your most important asset and sorry but Sammy failed miserably, but anyway, it's over now lets see what happens over the summer. Go Leafs...lol
bustaheims
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4EVRLEAFAN said:
It being that important a position is exactly what makes it a lazy excuse. The difference in goaltending in this series was that Swayman won games for Boston. Samsonov didn?t win any for the Leafs. He did give them a chance to win 3 of the 4 they lost. That?s all you can ask of your goalie. Expecting more is making excuses for poor play and deficiencies elsewhere.
An upgrade in net is required, no question, but goaltending didn?t cost them this series. Samsonov and Woll kept them in every games from game 2 on. With the talent on this roster, that?s all they should need to win a round. Teams the need to rely on their goalies to win don?t typically win championships. If that?s where the Leafs are at, the blame lies elsewhere. It?s really that simple.