Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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It was awesome seeing Carlyle yell at Bozak after Ottawa scored.
Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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hockeyfan1
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ontariojames said:
That's exactly what many a Leaf fan fears - - the defence at the expense of the offence. Unless the Leafs have the proper players who can play both systems (with and without the puck), in other words, to be able to shift back and forth between defence & offense, it's doubtful the team will be too successful incorporating both (offence & defence). Something may come at the expense of the other.
A balanced approach is best.
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hockeyfan1 said:
I disagree. A better defensive system will generate offence, and will cut down on scoring chances against. The Leafs are too passive in their own end and that needs to stop.
Zee
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I'll bring this up in the Carlyle thread since it was Randy who brought it up today during his press conference. Carlyle mentioned that Beauchemin went back to Anaheim and was a different player when he got there. He said he was playing with absolutely no confidence and didn't know how he had gotten to that point. He somehow re-gained his confidence in Anaheim and by all accounts from fans and coaches there, I think they're actually pleased with his play.
So --- that begs the obvious question, can Carlyle get some of the current Leafs players to play to a higher level? Maybe some of the players are afflicted with the same "low-confidence" symptoms that Beauchemin had?
Maybe we're not as bad as we've been? Maybe i'm drinking the Kool-aid? :-\
So --- that begs the obvious question, can Carlyle get some of the current Leafs players to play to a higher level? Maybe some of the players are afflicted with the same "low-confidence" symptoms that Beauchemin had?
Maybe we're not as bad as we've been? Maybe i'm drinking the Kool-aid? :-\
Etiam Vultus
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Zee said:
I hate to admit it now, but when Komisarek became a free agent, I hope that the Leafs would sign him because he seemed to be the tough, stay-at-home defenseman that the opposing team's forwards feared.
What happened to him? Is it just a loss of confidence that will be reversed under a new coaching staff? Is it permanent (after getting pounded by Lucic)? Was he overrated to begin with?
Corn Flake
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Etiam Vultus said:
We should be clear about Komisarek and the Lucic thing.. it wasn't that he got beat up, it was that he ripped up his shoulder in that one fight and re-aggravated the injury in his first year in Toronto, got shut down for 40 games from there. I believe he didn't have surgery when he was with the Habs and probably should have.
It seems like since then he hasn't been able to get the game together and gets hurt so often he can't put a string of games together to even try to. He did look good at the start of this year but the broken arm got in the way again.
I think under Wilson's system there was no way for him to truly succeed. Under Carlyle I think there's a chance he can.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqKPe9w5bUs[/youtube]
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Carlyle made it clear, in the absence of enough players to form a shutdown line, he is looking at forming a third line that will contribute to the offence rather than the checking game. He?s actually made up his mind, but he isn?t ready to make it official ahead of Saturday?s season-opener in Montreal against the Canadiens.
?It?s in my mind already. It?s done,? Carlyle said, and then he laughed. ?I?m not going to tell you.?
Maybe not, but if it isn?t Kadri between Komarov on the left and van Riemsdyk on the right then a lot of practice time was wasted. Given van Riemsdyk?s size (6-foot-3, 200 pounds) and ability to score goals along with Kadri?s slickness with the puck and Komarov?s potential as a two-way player, the possibilities of this line are intriguing. It could score as much or more than some NHL second lines.
?The shutdown line is something you develop when you feel you have the personnel to go in and play against the top lines in the league,? Carlyle said. ?If you?re not afforded that personnel, you look for the offensive side of it and say you have three lines that can produce a certain level of offence and maybe other teams don?t have that.?
Good coaches do just that. GM's might too when they look at what is available on the UFA market. It's a mistake Burke-Wilson made a couple of years ago in my opinion, to overlook this and kind of force the personnel to the system rather than adjust or optimize the system/line up to the best talents of the personnel they have to work with.
I've harped on this before. But the above states Carlyle's feelings on it better than I'd seen. Although Quinn had some different feelings on the system he might have his team play, he did do something similar while in Toronto every summer - tweaking his approach around the talent he had to work with.
In a season where many are predicting poor results for the Leafs, something like this gives me a little hope. If Scrivens or Reimer can play decently, something like the above can take a team to play greater than the sum of their parts if it clicks and comes together.
I'm not making any guarantees. It doesn't always work out. But at least Carlyle has a shot this season at maximizing his results by taking the approach he is to the personnel he has to work with.
It also looks like the top 2 lines may start intact from last season along with the top D pairing. That might help them get out of the gate decently with so little time to prepare in preseason.
Carlyle made it clear, in the absence of enough players to form a shutdown line, he is looking at forming a third line that will contribute to the offence rather than the checking game. He?s actually made up his mind, but he isn?t ready to make it official ahead of Saturday?s season-opener in Montreal against the Canadiens.
?It?s in my mind already. It?s done,? Carlyle said, and then he laughed. ?I?m not going to tell you.?
Maybe not, but if it isn?t Kadri between Komarov on the left and van Riemsdyk on the right then a lot of practice time was wasted. Given van Riemsdyk?s size (6-foot-3, 200 pounds) and ability to score goals along with Kadri?s slickness with the puck and Komarov?s potential as a two-way player, the possibilities of this line are intriguing. It could score as much or more than some NHL second lines.
?The shutdown line is something you develop when you feel you have the personnel to go in and play against the top lines in the league,? Carlyle said. ?If you?re not afforded that personnel, you look for the offensive side of it and say you have three lines that can produce a certain level of offence and maybe other teams don?t have that.?
Good coaches do just that. GM's might too when they look at what is available on the UFA market. It's a mistake Burke-Wilson made a couple of years ago in my opinion, to overlook this and kind of force the personnel to the system rather than adjust or optimize the system/line up to the best talents of the personnel they have to work with.
I've harped on this before. But the above states Carlyle's feelings on it better than I'd seen. Although Quinn had some different feelings on the system he might have his team play, he did do something similar while in Toronto every summer - tweaking his approach around the talent he had to work with.
In a season where many are predicting poor results for the Leafs, something like this gives me a little hope. If Scrivens or Reimer can play decently, something like the above can take a team to play greater than the sum of their parts if it clicks and comes together.
I'm not making any guarantees. It doesn't always work out. But at least Carlyle has a shot this season at maximizing his results by taking the approach he is to the personnel he has to work with.
It also looks like the top 2 lines may start intact from last season along with the top D pairing. That might help them get out of the gate decently with so little time to prepare in preseason.
maplesyrup
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Kadri in comfort zone thanks to Carlyle; 'He acknowledges when I play good ... before I didn't really get that at all' http://bit.ly/10iDU9g
Positive reinforcement. Huh, who knew?
Kadri in comfort zone thanks to Carlyle; 'He acknowledges when I play good ... before I didn't really get that at all' http://bit.ly/10iDU9g
Positive reinforcement. Huh, who knew?
hockeyfan1
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Rob said:
From the article, this is what distinguishes Carlyle:
Carlyle addresses his team after games and some pre-game skates so everyone is on the same page while Wilson rarely did that.
The lines of communication are wide open.
"I know for a fact that's how players like it," said Kadri. "The players don't like being shunned out and left in the dark and not really know what's going on. Everything Randy does there's an explanation for it, there's a reason for it and every single guy in this room is going to know that reason whereas before it was the complete opposite. You'd have guys asking each other what was going on so it's a different situation."
Definitely a "positive reinforcement".
pnjunction
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I think if we have to label a shutdown line it might be the Grabovski line. They seem likely to line up against the other team's top line don't they? Unless we go 1v1 with the top line (which doesn't seem smart given that Kessel and Lupul are kind of weak defensively?). Not sure what the matchup was against montreal.
They would need to be committed to the team and disciplined though as their offensive production seems likely to suffer if they are used this way, and there are pretty high offensive expectations with this line. Fans who want to be fair might have to acknowledge this too and not be overly critical about stats (points or plus/minus) without considering the context.
They would need to be committed to the team and disciplined though as their offensive production seems likely to suffer if they are used this way, and there are pretty high offensive expectations with this line. Fans who want to be fair might have to acknowledge this too and not be overly critical about stats (points or plus/minus) without considering the context.
Rebel_1812
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He is better then Wilson in his media interactions. I hope he will have a better record on the ice.
pnjunction
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Rebel_1812 said:
I feel the same way about Nonis and Burke.
I won't lie the aggressive nature of both (Burke and Wilson) was appealing to me at first, probably because the media is mostly dumb and so its funny to see them snarked at, but it gets ugly and tiresome quickly when the results on the ice aren't there.
OldTimeHockey
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I was in the 'Home of Randy Carlyle' (Big town of Azilda) all day Saturday and Sunday for my daughter's figureskating competition.
Big sign by the canteen reads "Home of Randy Carlyle - Coach of the Anaheim Ducks - 2007 Stanley Cup Champions".....
I said to my wife that they'll have to change it to
"Home of Randy Carlyle - Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs - Haven't Won a thing in 45 Years"
Big sign by the canteen reads "Home of Randy Carlyle - Coach of the Anaheim Ducks - 2007 Stanley Cup Champions".....
I said to my wife that they'll have to change it to
"Home of Randy Carlyle - Coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs - Haven't Won a thing in 45 Years"
GhostofPotvin29
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Didn't marry you for the humour I hope? ;D
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