Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[Leaflifer]

I think a good manager assesses what kind of team he has, and wants to develop, and then hires a coach that follows that philosophy.

Sounds obvious but we've seen coaches try to bang square pegs into round holes before.

With RC, he's just stubborn.

 

[moon111]

Okay so Randy gets fired.  Who do you replace him with?  What coach can turn a team that gives up 40 shots a night into one that gives up 20 shots a night?

 

[TML fan]

Okay so Randy gets fired.  Who do you replace him with?  What coach can turn a team that gives up 40 shots a night into one that gives up 20 shots a night?

I'm going to say virtually anyone who doesn't coach this crap style.

 

[Strangelove]

If I'm Nonis I check whether Coach Bombay is available. They need to bring in a coach that speaks in a way even Dion Phaneuf is able to understand.  Coach Bombay is that guy:

"Did you all enjoy that? Well so did they. Because they're still three points up, and we're one period away from defeat."

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[mc]

Okay so Randy gets fired.  Who do you replace him with?  What coach can turn a team that gives up 40 shots a night into one that gives up 20 shots a night?

I'm going to say virtually anyone who doesn't coach this crap style.

You mean pond hockey.

 

[bakeapples]

You know, if you look at it, the turning point for the Leafs came when Carlyle made his disparaging remarks about reimer. Reimer is the nicest hockey player you will ever see. I think that the other players really resented randy for those comments and it started the downward spiral.

What disparaging remarks?

 

[nutman]

You know, if you look at it, the turning point for the Leafs came when Carlyle made his disparaging remarks about reimer. Reimer is the nicest hockey player you will ever see. I think that the other players really resented randy for those comments and it started the downward spiral.

What disparaging remarks?

This is what has killed the leafs. What a bone headed comment for the coach to make.

 

[2badknees]

I'll concede at this point that he isn't the coach for this group, but I take issue with those calling him an idiot, and other disparaging comments. He's been good with the media, the younger players have gotten good ice and a chance to improve, and he's won a cup in this league.

Fans are allowed to overreact, but the difference between this team competing with the best in the league isn't the coach. Its primarily the resolve of the organization not to commit to drafting high in a proper rebuild, which is the template for success for virtually all top teams.

 

[bakeapples]

You know, if you look at it, the turning point for the Leafs came when Carlyle made his disparaging remarks about reimer. Reimer is the nicest hockey player you will ever see. I think that the other players really resented randy for those comments and it started the downward spiral.

What disparaging remarks?

This is what has killed the leafs. What a bone headed comment for the coach to make.

I'm not the coach. What were the remarks?

 

[Strangelove]

Apparently Randy saying Reimer played "just okay" (when that's how he played) was the primary factor in the team's lengthy losing streak.

Makes sense to me.

 

[slapshot]

I'll concede at this point that he isn't the coach for this group, but I take issue with those calling him an idiot, and other disparaging comments. He's been good with the media, the younger players have gotten good ice and a chance to improve, and he's won a cup in this league.

Fans are allowed to overreact, but the difference between this team competing with the best in the league isn't the coach. Its primarily the resolve of the organization not to commit to drafting high in a proper rebuild, which is the template for success for virtually all top teams.

Like Edmonton? I prefer the Detroit approach better, giving their young players longer time to develop in the minors, scout and draft smartly, regardless of where you finish.
The fire coach mantra is simply the easy scapegoat for long suffering fans, who need to punish someone, anyone with the guillotine. Understandable to some extent, but it's like waving a magic wand and thinking the fairy God coach will appear. What they need and what Carlyle has said all season long, they need to up their "compete" level, win battles, that's what it comes down to at this time of the year, where speed and transition are less a factor than tight-checking and bearing down. If it takes a few personnel moves to get some new troops and send a message to the rest of them, so be it. I'd prefer that to the merry-go-round coaching excuse.

 

[Kin]

Apparently Randy saying Reimer played "just okay" (when that's how he played) was the primary factor in the team's lengthy losing streak.

Seriously. Anyone thinking that the players heard that remark and packed it in for the season and then think it's the coach who is the problem? There are some guys on this team I'm not crazy about but none that I'd accuse of that kind of immaturity and lack of professionalism.

 

[Bullfrog]

And to be clear, he didn't blame Reimer for an extended losing streak. He just said he played okay in reference to the game in LA.

 

[Joe S.]

If the Leafs were serious, they'd find a way in the offseason to pry Quenneville away from Chicago. That's the kind of thing I expect from Leiweke given his track record.

I'm not big on coaches, but I've always liked Quenneville, going back to his days in St Louis. Players seem to like him, it appears as though he gets the most of of his players, and comes across quite well in any interview I've heard with him.

And let's be honest, he rocks an awesome 'stache.

 

[Kin]

If the Leafs were serious, they'd find a way in the offseason to pry Quenneville away from Chicago. That's the kind of thing I expect from Leiweke given his track record.

He's under contract though. The Blackhawks say "no" and there really isn't a way the Leafs can find.

 

[Joe S.]

If the Leafs were serious, they'd find a way in the offseason to pry Quenneville away from Chicago. That's the kind of thing I expect from Leiweke given his track record.

He's under contract though. The Blackhawks say "no" and there really isn't a way the Leafs can find.

Oh I know. It's not really possible. But if you read the story on how mlse got Defoe you might think it's something Leiweke could pull off.

But I'm pie in the sky-ing here.

 

[bustaheims]

He's under contract though. The Blackhawks say "no" and there really isn't a way the Leafs can find.

Yeah. The whole "find a way to pry X coach loose from Y NHL team" just isn't a possibility.

 

[Redleaf]

And would Quinnville really want to leave a perennial Stanley cup winner to come to the vast wasteland that is our Toronto Maple Leafs?

 

[2badknees]

I'll concede at this point that he isn't the coach for this group, but I take issue with those calling him an idiot, and other disparaging comments. He's been good with the media, the younger players have gotten good ice and a chance to improve, and he's won a cup in this league.

Fans are allowed to overreact, but the difference between this team competing with the best in the league isn't the coach. Its primarily the resolve of the organization not to commit to drafting high in a proper rebuild, which is the template for success for virtually all top teams.

Like Edmonton? I prefer the Detroit approach better, giving their young players longer time to develop in the minors, scout and draft smartly, regardless of where you finish.
The fire coach mantra is simply the easy scapegoat for long suffering fans, who need to punish someone, anyone with the guillotine. Understandable to some extent, but it's like waving a magic wand and thinking the fairy God coach will appear. What they need and what Carlyle has said all season long, they need to up their "compete" level, win battles, that's what it comes down to at this time of the year, where speed and transition are less a factor than tight-checking and bearing down. If it takes a few personnel moves to get some new troops and send a message to the rest of them, so be it. I'd prefer that to the merry-go-round coaching excuse.

Agree 100% with your coaching opinion, but regarding teambuilding, I'd argue Detroit is the anomaly having long term success with a poor draft position, while Edmonton is the contrary anomaly. Most of the NHL powerhouses over the last ten years have built via cornerstone players that have been drafted in the first round and have been retained.

Toronto management haven't bought into this concept as of yet, and results are pretty much as expected. We need another 3 years of Morgan Reilly types, and then fill in the gaps with high priced FAs. 

 

[2badknees]

And to add to that, if we could exchange our entire team for Edmonton's right now, I'd do that in a heartbeat.