Rasmus Sandin

[princedpw]

Said it earlier in the season. He was our best defensemen first stint up with the club. No idea why they sent him down. Why Marincin is up and he wasn't is beyond me.
I would call up Lilly and play both and take their chances for the rest of the year. Can't be any worse than the regulars we've had up to now.
Let them get some experience. If it works out great if not they get some valuable experience for next year and we can get rid of any or all of Ceci, Barrie, Muzzin and Marincin.
Hear they're talking contract with Muzzin. Not crazy about him either as I think he's too slow but at least he plays with a bit of an edge. Fine sign him trade the others rather than losing them for nothing. Maybe sign Pietrangelo in the off season and cap saved can look for a decent backup.

7 Dmen Pietrangelo, Dermott, Reilly, Lilly, Holl, Sandin, Muzzin

Muzzin @ ~6-7million
Pietrangelo @ ~8.5-9.5milliom
Lily @ .9

vs

Muzzin @ 4
Ceci @ 4.5
Barrie @ 2.5

means our defense would cost ~4.5-6.5 million more than last year. Combine that with giving raises to Dermott and Mikheyev. Maybe the cap goes 2-3 million.  So to get that defense, we?d basically have to trade Nylander or Marner as far as I can tell.  Maybe that would be worth it but such a defense wont come without major costs elsewhere on the roster.

 

[Highlander]

Let's hope that Barrie gets out of Ontario. (In more than one way).

 

[Joe S.]

Can we petition to have him wear 13 just so I can be quickly fooled into thinking I?m seeing the name sundin on the ice again?

I'm 100% on board.

Wasn't it retired with all the other good numbers?  Man I don't agree with retiring numbers at all.  Now we will have to move to morse code or strange Prince like symbols.

I didn?t think the leafs retired numbers, I thought they honoured them.

 

[Kin]

I didn?t think the leafs retired numbers, I thought they honoured them.

There was a big ceremony with Keon and everyone where they reversed that policy. Now all of the honoured numbers are retired.

 

[Joe S.]

I didn?t think the leafs retired numbers, I thought they honoured them.

There was a big ceremony with Keon and everyone where they reversed that policy. Now all of the honoured numbers are retired.

I had no idea. Well then, never mind!

 

[Stebro]

Now I am not saying that he is the next Lidstrom, but... The way he moves into the centre of the blueline, and then just focuse on hitting someone in front of the net, or going for the goal himself, and making it look so simple, reminds me of Lidstrom.

 

[Highlander]

Now I am not saying that he is the next Lidstrom, but... The way he moves into the centre of the blueline, and then just focuse on hitting someone in front of the net, or going for the goal himself, and making it look so simple, reminds me of Lidstrom.

Let us be so fortunate, let us pray.

 

[azzurri63]

Said it earlier in the season. He was our best defensemen first stint up with the club. No idea why they sent him down. Why Marincin is up and he wasn't is beyond me.
I would call up Lilly and play both and take their chances for the rest of the year. Can't be any worse than the regulars we've had up to now.
Let them get some experience. If it works out great if not they get some valuable experience for next year and we can get rid of any or all of Ceci, Barrie, Muzzin and Marincin.
Hear they're talking contract with Muzzin. Not crazy about him either as I think he's too slow but at least he plays with a bit of an edge. Fine sign him trade the others rather than losing them for nothing. Maybe sign Pietrangelo in the off season and cap saved can look for a decent backup.

7 Dmen Pietrangelo, Dermott, Reilly, Lilly, Holl, Sandin, Muzzin

Muzzin @ ~6-7million
Pietrangelo @ ~8.5-9.5milliom
Lily @ .9

vs

Muzzin @ 4
Ceci @ 4.5
Barrie @ 2.5

means our defense would cost ~4.5-6.5 million more than last year. Combine that with giving raises to Dermott and Mikheyev. Maybe the cap goes 2-3 million.  So to get that defense, we?d basically have to trade Nylander or Marner as far as I can tell.  Maybe that would be worth it but such a defense wont come without major costs elsewhere on the roster.

If it's costing us that much to sign Muzzin c ya later or maybe Dubas needs to go.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Muzzin isn't getting 7. 5-6 range is more like it.

 

[azzurri63]

Holl              2  Million
Dermott      2.5 Million
Sandin        895,000
Lilly            865,000
Reilly          5 Million
Pietrangelo  8.5 Million

Total just under  20 Million
Top 6 this year  17.7 Million

Just over 2 million more.

Pietrangelo/Sandin
Reilly/Lilly
Dermott/Holl

 

[ZBBM]

Now I am not saying that he is the next Lidstrom, but... The way he moves into the centre of the blueline, and then just focuse on hitting someone in front of the net, or going for the goal himself, and making it look so simple, reminds me of Lidstrom.

Stebro, I'll bet you remember when Stalman came over some coach back in Sweden said he's going to be the next Lidstrom.  That was pure hype and the Leafs gave up on him too soon.

I'd be happy if Sandin would be the next Stralman.

 

[princedpw]

Holl              2  Million
Dermott      2.5 Million
Sandin        895,000
Lilly            865,000
Reilly          5 Million
Pietrangelo  8.5 Million

Total just under  20 Million
Top 6 this year  17.7 Million

Just over 2 million more.

Pietrangelo/Sandin
Reilly/Lilly
Dermott/Holl

That seems plausible (Pietrangelo is right-handed though apparently).  The difficulty with Pietrangelo is that we have no idea if he wants to play in Toronto.  Waiting to try to sign him before circling back to Muzzin may result in losing both.  So I can see why they are negotiating with Muzzin now.  If Muzzin will sign for a lower than expected AAV, it would be fun to try to sign Pietrangelo and then trade Reilly for picks and prospects to make the cap work.

 

[Stebro]

Now I am not saying that he is the next Lidstrom, but... The way he moves into the centre of the blueline, and then just focuse on hitting someone in front of the net, or going for the goal himself, and making it look so simple, reminds me of Lidstrom.

Stebro, I'll bet you remember when Stalman came over some coach back in Sweden said he's going to be the next Lidstrom.  That was pure hype and the Leafs gave up on him too soon.

I'd be happy if Sandin would be the next Stralman.

Yeah, don't believe the hype I'd be happy if he becomes a 40 point player who is decent at playing D, maybe like Edler.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Holl              2  Million
Dermott      2.5 Million
Sandin        895,000
Lilly            865,000
Reilly          5 Million
Pietrangelo  8.5 Million

Total just under  20 Million
Top 6 this year  17.7 Million

Just over 2 million more.

Pietrangelo/Sandin
Reilly/Lilly
Dermott/Holl

That seems plausible (Pietrangelo is right-handed though apparently).  The difficulty with Pietrangelo is that we have no idea if he wants to play in Toronto.  Waiting to try to sign him before circling back to Muzzin may result in losing both.  So I can see why they are negotiating with Muzzin now.  If Muzzin will sign for a lower than expected AAV, it would be fun to try to sign Pietrangelo and then trade Reilly for picks and prospects to make the cap work.

I don't either of Rielly getting moved or Pietrangelo coming here.

 

[azzurri63]

Now I am not saying that he is the next Lidstrom, but... The way he moves into the centre of the blueline, and then just focuse on hitting someone in front of the net, or going for the goal himself, and making it look so simple, reminds me of Lidstrom.

Stebro, I'll bet you remember when Stalman came over some coach back in Sweden said he's going to be the next Lidstrom.  That was pure hype and the Leafs gave up on him too soon.

I'd be happy if Sandin would be the next Stralman.

Yeah, don't believe the hype I'd be happy if he becomes a 40 point player who is decent at playing D, maybe like Edler.

Think you're cutting him short. 40 points isn't hard to achieve especially if you see any PP time. I think he can hit that no problem.
Quinn Hughes from Vancouver drafted and rated higher is currently sitting with 33 points in only 47 games as a rookie.
No reason Sandin can't do it. Kid is calm, poised and can run a PP and with the Leafs talent if he gets that opportunity even the 2nd pairing who knows what he can attain.
He might not get 1st PP time as we have Reilly and if we sign someone like AP that won't happen but only time will tell.
Think the kid has the tools we'll see.

 

[Bullfrog]

40 points for a defenseman isn't hard to achieve? Only 30 defensemen in the entire league reached that mark last year. I'd be extremely happy if he became a consistent 40 pointer as that'd mean he was most likely a top pairing d-man.

 

[Kin]

40 points for a defenseman isn't hard to achieve? Only 30 defensemen in the entire league reached that mark last year. I'd be extremely happy if he became a consistent 40 pointer as that'd mean he was most likely a top pairing d-man.

Yeah. There are a lot of good defensemen who don't regularly hit that mark. Parayko hasn't despite regular PP time. Ditto Slavin. Chara's only hit it once in the last 8 years, Ekholm's only done it once in his career, McDonagh's been hit or miss at it his whole career...

Regularly scoring 40+ points as a defenseman is elite offensive territory.

 

[Arn]

If he just wants 40 points enough, he?ll get 40 points

 

[azzurri63]

40 points for a defenseman isn't hard to achieve? Only 30 defensemen in the entire league reached that mark last year. I'd be extremely happy if he became a consistent 40 pointer as that'd mean he was most likely a top pairing d-man.

Yeah. There are a lot of good defensemen who don't regularly hit that mark. Parayko hasn't despite regular PP time. Ditto Slavin. Chara's only hit it once in the last 8 years, Ekholm's only done it once in his career, McDonagh's been hit or miss at it his whole career...

Regularly scoring 40+ points as a defenseman is elite offensive territory.

None of the guys you mentioned play 1st PP minutes. Parayko averages :30 seconds of PP time a game. Slavin :11 seconds. McDonaugh :06 seconds. Chara :03 seconds.
Sorry Nik but your examples aren't the best.
40 points isn't hard to hit if you're on the 1st or 2nd pairing.
Man we have been harping about Barrie all year and Reilly's horrible season and both of them are sitting at 27 points. Muzzin had 37 points last year and I definitely don't consider him to be an offensive defensemen.

Guys like Hughes for Vancouver can quarterback a PP. Sandin I think can do the same.
Won't be long depending on what Dubas does (FA signings) that he is running the Leafs PP. Won't probably be this year but don't think next is out of the question.

 

[bustaheims]

40 points for a defenseman isn't hard to achieve? Only 30 defensemen in the entire league reached that mark last year. I'd be extremely happy if he became a consistent 40 pointer as that'd mean he was most likely a top pairing d-man.

Yeah. There are a lot of good defensemen who don't regularly hit that mark. Parayko hasn't despite regular PP time. Ditto Slavin. Chara's only hit it once in the last 8 years, Ekholm's only done it once in his career, McDonagh's been hit or miss at it his whole career...

Regularly scoring 40+ points as a defenseman is elite offensive territory.

None of the guys you mentioned play 1st PP minutes. Parayko averages :30 seconds of PP time a game. Slavin :11 seconds. McDonaugh :06 seconds. Chara :03 seconds.
Sorry Nik but your examples aren't the best.
40 points isn't hard to hit if you're on the 1st or 2nd pairing.
Man we have been harping about Barrie all year and Reilly's horrible season and both of them are sitting at 27 points. Muzzin had 37 points last year and I definitely don't consider him to be an offensive defensemen.

Guys like Hughes for Vancouver can quarterback a PP. Sandin I think can do the same.
Won't be long depending on what Dubas does (FA signings) that he is running the Leafs PP. Won't probably be this year but don't think next is out of the question.

If it?s not ?hard to hit if you're on the 1st or 2nd pairing,? why have no more than 30 guys put 40+ points in any of the last 5 seasons? If it really wasn?t difficult, the average season would definitely produce an average higher than the recent less than one per team.