Rasmus Sandin

[CarltonTheBear]

Which LHD should the Leafs have been scratching him for?

Marincin.  And I rather like Marty the Onion.

Exactly, none of the regular LHD.

 

[ZBBM]

Actually he probably would have contributed more than 23 or 44 did.

 

[azzurri63]

Top unit powerplay too.

Well, that's what it is now. First it was any pp time:

Think you're cutting him short. 40 points isn't hard to achieve especially if you see any PP time. I think he can hit that no problem.

Then it was Lemon Squeezy for the top 4:

40 points isn't hard to hit if you're on the 1st or 2nd pairing.

Then, shortly thereafter, it became running the top PP and easiness all around:

Most of the guys you see hit that play 1st PP minutes.
All I'm saying is if you are one of those guys it's not difficult to do.

What will it be next time? Easy for Swedes with 12 letters in their name? Easy for 1st round picks? Easy if you set your mind to it? Tune in next week for another exciting episode of Azzurri Desperately Shifting the Goalposts!

Talk all you want all you do is spew bs.
Guys have no clue what you're talking about.
All I said was if you are fortunate to get 1st PP minutes 40 points isn't out of reach even for a rookie.
See Hughes and Makar stats and you'll see what I mean.
The guys u mentioned earlier in the post don't play 1st PP minutes so harder to do.
Hughes has 18 points alone on the PP after 48 games.
Makar has 15 in only 41.
Yandle 20 points on the PP.
Pietrangelo 20.
Carlson 19.
Hedman 19.
Krug 19.

These are only PP points all guys on the 1st PP.
I'm not saying most defensemen can hit it.
All I said was if your fortunate to get 3-4 minutes on the PP a game means your on the 1st pairing and 40 points isn't out of the question even for a rookie.

And Hobbes I didn't say doing it every year with consistency. I just said Sandin can do it depending on his maturity, Leafs lineup and how he will be used.
If the Leafs don't sign a big name FA like Pietrangelo I can see him getting on the 1st PP unit.
Be battling with Morgan as I don't think Barrie will be back.

 

[Nik]

Talk all you want all you do is spew bs.

I'm literally quoting your own words, you ding dong.

All I said was if you are fortunate to get 1st PP minutes 40 points isn't out of reach even for a rookie.

No, you said it was easy for anyone getting any PP time. Again, I just quoted you saying that word for word. You get that we can all see what you write and it's recorded for posterity, right?

 

[azzurri63]

Ok I?ll stick with that it?s easy for a D man to get 40 points if he?s on the PP. I keep saying first minutes. If you see PP time but only 10, 20 seconds a game that?s not what I?m talking about. All the guys I mentioned are their teams for the most part best offensive defenseman. That?s why they get the 3-4 plus PP minutes a game.
If you are fortunate to be one of those guys I?ll say it again 40 points is easy to reach.

 

[Nik]

If you see PP time but only 10, 20 seconds a game that?s not what I?m talking about.

Again, you keep bringing this up but all it's doing is showing that you are A) frantically trying to shift the goalposts in a desperate attempt to make your point here seem less ridiculous and B) that you really have problems understanding what people are saying in response to you. When I referred to Parayko, Chara, McDonagh, etc...I specifically referred to what they'd done throughout their careers, not just in this year. I noted that these guys, all of whom have offensive talent, had years where they got regular PP time and couldn't hit 40 points. This of course was back when your statement was that 40 points was easy for any defenseman getting any PP time and I can quote you saying that again for you if you're confused.

But now that you've shifted things again to "It's easy for guys who get 3+ minutes of PP time a night" then I think it should be abundantly clear to even you that the guys who get that kind of PP time don't get it randomly. They get it because even among the incredibly talented player group in the NHL they have elite offensive skills. That's how they get 40+ points, their skills. Players like Makar and Hughes are exceptionally talented rookies and their production in no way diminishes the act of reaching 40+ points any more than Matthews scoring 40 goals as a rookie makes scoring 25 or 30 goals an easy mark to hit.

I know a lot of your arguments rely on thinking that complicated things are easy(Just hit him! Just stop McDavid! Just stand in front of Ovechkin!) but the reality is that none of what these guys do is easy and they're all exceptionally talented.

 

[azzurri63]

If you see PP time but only 10, 20 seconds a game that?s not what I?m talking about.

Again, you keep bringing this up but all it's doing is showing that you are A) frantically trying to shift the goalposts in a desperate attempt to make your point here seem less ridiculous and B) that you really have problems understanding what people are saying in response to you. When I referred to Parayko, Chara, McDonagh, etc...I specifically referred to what they'd done throughout their careers, not just in this year. I noted that these guys, all of whom have offensive talent, had years where they got regular PP time and couldn't hit 40 points. This of course was back when your statement was that 40 points was easy for any defenseman getting any PP time and I can quote you saying that again for you if you're confused.

But now that you've shifted things again to "It's easy for guys who get 3+ minutes of PP time a night" then I think it should be abundantly clear to even you that the guys who get that kind of PP time don't get it randomly. They get it because even among the incredibly talented player group in the NHL they have elite offensive skills. That's how they get 40+ points, their skills. Players like Makar and Hughes are exceptionally talented rookies and their production in no way diminishes the act of reaching 40+ points any more than Matthews scoring 40 goals as a rookie makes scoring 25 or 30 goals an easy mark to hit.

I know a lot of your arguments rely on thinking that complicated things are easy(Just hit him! Just stop McDavid! Just stand in front of Ovechkin!) but the reality is that none of what these guys do is easy and they're all exceptionally talented.

Maybe you should look a little deeper at Charas stats when he was getting 45-55 points quite regularly and an abundance of PP points.
When he was the Bruins #1 guy. Now Krug has grabbed that role and hitting 40+ points.
Only common sense more PP time more chances to rack up points.
Anyway all good with this topic.
Thanks for your input.

 

[Nik]

Maybe you should look a little deeper at Charas stats...

I really don't know how much clearer you need it to be than this:

Chara's only hit it once in the last 8 years...

 

[azzurri63]

Maybe you should look a little deeper at Charas stats...

I really don't know how much clearer you need it to be than this:

Chara's only hit it once in the last 8 years...

Well it hasn't been 8 years since he had 40+.
Also why is it that prior to that he had 40 or more for like 8 straight seasons except for 1 shortened year where he only played 48 games?
Tell you why because his PP points averaged over 20 points for a season.
Obviously he's gotten older and is not the player he used to be but main reason is he's not the #1 guy quarterbacking the PP.
When your running a PP and averaging 20+ points a season on the PP makes a big difference.
Anyway we are beating this to death so let's move on.
Enjoy the Bettman shinny, noon shoot Allstar weekend.

 

[Nik]

Well it hasn't been 8 years since he had 40+.

Indeed. Do you not understand that "He's only hit it once in the last 8 years" and what you just wrote are different things? Because that's deeply concerning.