Reimer Injury

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"Wilson has been dead-honest in replying that he simply doesn't know.

After all, how could he accurately assume the course of post-concussion syndrome."

That's from a Berger article I won't bother to link. It's nice to see the confluence of a medical degree and ambulance chasing in such a tidy package.

 

[Kin]

I can see how being in RW's position or BB's position, in a town as hockey mad as we are, that having everyone and his brother calling you about the rumor that Reimer has a concussion when they've said time and time again that they don't entirely know what it is has got to be extremely aggrevating. The fact that the quote came from his mother would probably easily mislead people into thinking she's has a credible opinion on concussion diagnosis.

Just to be clear, this is the entire quote you're referring to:

?That?s the frustrating part for us ? not knowing what it is, and why they?re not calling it a concussion when they say ?concussion-like symptoms,?? Marlene Reimer said. ?Like, how is that not a concussion? ... The initial test showed him to be clear of a concussion. But as it goes on, it?s kind of mystifying. He?s okay some days. And some days he?s definitely not okay.?

So she says the initial tests cleared him of a concussion but that they're frustrated by not knowing what it is, the same thing you say will frustrate Burke/Wilson.

I can see why Wilson and Burke would take a few jabs at the media over this, and I think media people would be crazy not to see it coming.

Whether Burke or Wilson like it or not the media's job isn't to make their lives easier. In fact, realistically, it's to make it harder. Making this big a stink about something that is on pretty solid ethical footing makes them look thin-skinned at best.

 

[Tigger]

Well it's Reimers right to privacy that Feschuk doesn't seem to care about, calling up his mom is kinda bush if a you ask me but it ended up essentially being a non story on its own that turned into something else. Yay for journalism!

 

[Kin]

Well it's Reimers right to privacy that Feschuk doesn't seem to care about

Your right to privacy, anyone's right to privacy to the extent that such a "right" exists, doesn't extend to the point that people who know you can't be asked questions about you.

 

[Tigger]

Well it's Reimers right to privacy that Feschuk doesn't seem to care about

Your right to privacy, anyone's right to privacy to the extent that such a "right" exists, doesn't extend to the point that people who know you can't be asked questions about you.

Heh, so asking Reimer was out of the question?

I get your drift but it doesn't make me like the approach any, in fact it's given me an overly negative opinion of Feschuk and his work associations ( the article that is, not your drift... )

My mom could handle something like this as well but if someone tried an end run around me like that I would be pissed at them.

 

[rdowdall]

I thought there was an unwritten rule that a dude's mother was off limits?

 

[Kin]

Heh, so asking Reimer was out of the question?

Reimer has been asked. Repeatedly.

Again, I'm not arguing for the value of the piece(although I think it had some) and I'm not trying to convince you to like Cox, Feschuk or whoever. From where I am though, asking a hockey player's mom about them is fair provided you're open and honest and quote them accurately. Marlene Reimer clearly had something she wanted to say on the subject and she's capable of deciding how and when to say it.

I don't think any of us would have a problem if the article was "Reimer's mom thinks it's great that Son has 8 shut-outs in a row" or something along those lines so what's the dividing line? That the questions Feschuk asked could have caused the Leafs some embarrassment? Or was about a subject the Leafs are tired of talking about?

Again, Feschuk doesn't work for the Leafs and his job isn't to promote the Leafs' and their agenda.

 

[Tigger]

Heh, so asking Reimer was out of the question?

Reimer has been asked. Repeatedly.

Right, and they got their answer, repeatedly. That's the kind of end run I was talking about and for me that's a bit of a dividing line. If I was in Reimers shoes I'd have a few choice words for Feschuk next time I saw him but then I'm not much of a Mennonite.

Again, Feschuk doesn't work for the Leafs and his job isn't to promote the Leafs' and their agenda.

Yeah and that's fair and all but I won't be reading his work as a result, he's kind of like a Leafs pk, poor execution.

I don't really care about what the Leafs have to say about it either, fwiw, like Cornflake said, drivel on both accounts.

 

[Kin]

Right, and they got their answer, repeatedly.

But they're different questions because of who they're asking. Getting an answer from James Reimer on the question "What have you been told?" and "How do you feel?" doesn't somehow negate that Marlene Reimer may have very different answers to those same questions and present a different perspective on the situation which she did.

 

[Tigger]

Right, and they got their answer, repeatedly.

But they're different questions because of who they're asking. Getting an answer from James Reimer on the question "What have you been told?" and "How do you feel?" doesn't somehow negate that Marlene Reimer may have very different answers to those same questions and present a different perspective on the situation which she did.

I found it pretty much useless as a piece, the sum total info from what I saw was that she didn't know and was confused like everyone else. Who cares?

Going after family only to find out that Reimer had concussions in the past is weak tea at best.

Marlenes pov doesn't interest me and means nothing to Reimer or the Leafs situation, it's a failure as a piece and I suspect, though I have no proof, that Feschuk was digging around trying to prove the Leafs were holding something back but he got essentially nothing new. He didn't need to go there, at all.

I only give a gnat's petunia for Reimer and his family on this one.

 

[Kin]

I found it pretty much useless as a piece, the sum total info from what I saw was that she didn't know and was confused like everyone else. Who cares?

Going after family only to find out that Reimer had concussions in the past is weak tea at best.

Again, "Going after" is a pretty melodramatic way of putting a phone call that could have been as simple as "Hey Mrs. Reimer, Dave Feschuk from the Toronto Star, mind answering a few questions about your son?".

Marlenes pov doesn't interest me and means nothing to Reimer or the Leafs situation, it's a failure as a piece and I suspect, though I have no proof, that Feschuk was digging around trying to prove the Leafs were holding something back but he got essentially nothing new. He didn't need to go there, at all.

Like I said, I think that Reimer's concussion history was fairly new for most Leafs fans and something worth knowing.

 

[louisstamos]

The one major downside that I haven't really seen anyone mention is this...

Reimer is going to hear this a lot.  Especially from the opposition trying to get into his head.  Thankfully, Reimer is a pretty level-headed guy, and very grounded in his faith, but some players will use whatever material they can to get a competitive advantage.  Reimer is henceforth the mama's boy on the ice...

 

[Fanatic]

Mamma's boy? Seriously?

Nothing that Mrs. Reiner said stands out as being anything other than perfectly normal. In fact she came across quite well in that piece.

 

[moon111]

Just because you can, doesn't make it right.  I personally wouldn't talk to the press, and if I had to, would be very vague.  Don't see anything wrong with Reimer and the Leafs protecting themselves by not informing the world to their weaknesses.

 

[freer]

this is going to be an on going conversation that is not going to have a winner. Reimer will be back soon, and so will all our play off hopes. Peace out

 

[Bonsixx]

A lot of this would be unnecessary if the NHL stopped being ridiculous and just adopted the NFL's policy of full injury disclosure.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

A lot of this would be unnecessary if the NHL stopped being ridiculous and just adopted the NFL's policy of full injury disclosure.

Like this? 

http://www.sbnation.com/fantasy/2011/11/7/2543807/hines-ward-injury-fantasy-football-pittsburgh-steelers

 

[riff raff]

You know how the Toronto media likes to throw around the word 'entitlement' when it comes to the Leafs? Really, they should take a look at their own behaviour here. That's the word that comes to my mind when I see their reaction to this story.

The Leafs weren't being all that unreasonable about what they were disclosing about Reimer's injury. But apparently it wasn't enough for Feschuk and his ilk.

As a fan, I don't have a problem with the team not giving out complete detailed medical reports on every player who gets injured and I doubt other fans want that. Yet, that is often the reason given for the media digging: "The fans want to know." It isn't that the fans want to know - they want a scoop. Or they want to show the Leafs who's boss.

I feel bad for Reimer's mom who probably had no idea she was being played.

 

[Kin]

I feel bad for Reimer's mom who probably had no idea she was being played.

In what possible way was she played? She got asked a question or two and answered.

 

[riff raff]

I feel bad for Reimer's mom who probably had no idea she was being played.

In what possible way was she played? She got asked a question or two and answered.

Really?

How often are parents called to talk about injury issues?

Have you seen it before?

He held himself out to her as writing a story about a parent's "angst surrounding head injuries" (his own words). No doubt that's how he explained it to her. Is that what the story ended up being in reality?

I don't believe his motives as he presented them to her were genuine. That's how she was played.