Report: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with PHI (Dreger on twitter)
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bustaheims
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L K said:
It's four 1st round picks. Compensation for offer sheets longer than 5 seasons is based on the total value of the contract divided by 5.
Champ Kind
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Alls fair in love, war, and NHL transactions, it seems. From the periphery, it seemed like Nashville and Philadelphia had one of the more amicable relationships, at least from the perspective of acquiring player's rights (the Hartnell and Timonen deals, the failed Hamhuis deal). Looks like that's out the window and, boy, does the tentative deal ever look like a "stick it up your a**" - type of deal.
Heroic Shrimp
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Zee said:
And I'm pretty sure the RFA compensation for Kessel would have been one 1st, one 2nd, and one 3rd, and not two 1sts. Burke offered the second first to ensure the trade and not risk having Boston match an RFA offer.
Weber's agent on TSN radio said they had decided it was time to move on after Suter left and that they warned the Predators that an offer sheet was coming. Weber's camp gave the Predators a chance to work on a trade, and nothing happened so they went the offersheet route.
My guess is that Predators don't match but trade the 4 1sts back to Philly for an agreed upon return.. which is probably in the best interests of all parties involved. Preds get a decent return for Weber, Flyers get thier man and Weber gets his money and his wish to join a contender.
My guess is that Predators don't match but trade the 4 1sts back to Philly for an agreed upon return.. which is probably in the best interests of all parties involved. Preds get a decent return for Weber, Flyers get thier man and Weber gets his money and his wish to join a contender.
maplesyrup
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Deebo said:
Seems possible... Though if I'm Poile, I don't consider a deal unless Couturier is part of the return.
maplesyrup
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Anyone think Poile could get Couturier + Coburn?
bustaheims
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Definitely sounds like Weber's trying to pressure the Preds into letting him go, but, it still wouldn't surprise me if Nashville matches, struggles through it for the season and trades him next summer when they'll be able to again - especially if they can't get the Flyers to give up the kind of assets they're looking for in return for sending those draft picks back here. As unhappy as Weber might be, the Preds hold a pretty significant hammer here with their right to match.
Hampreacher
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I hope the NHL rejects this contract as it vilates the intent of the Salary Cap with the huge upfront money. Especially when that was the reason for the salary cap to protect the small market teams. This is different than the Suter and Parise contracts because of the upfront money.It could tilt the playing field.
bustaheims
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Bonsixx said:
Tampering only applies to players under contract. RFAs are obviously not under contract.
bustaheims
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Deebo said:
Well, I suppose that depends on what Philly is offering. Being able to put Weber out on the open market should, in theory, raise the return they'll be able to get - even with the NTC/NMC that he'll likely have starting next summer. I can't say for sure, but, my guess is Philly isn't the only team Weber is willing to go to - his agent pretty much said that the major motivator here was that Weber doesn't want to go through another rebuild, which means he'd likely be open to considering a number of teams that would likely be interested in him, even with that contract.
#1PilarFan
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Have to hand it to Holmgren, he makes things happen. And, unlike most other players who sign long-term deals, I could actually see Weber playing at 40 and even contributing little bit.
Hampreacher
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But does it not violate the intent of the cap. Suter and Parise are not getting a quater of the contract in the first year. I am sure NJ and Nashville could have matchedhad they been RFA's.
bustaheims
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Hampreacher said:
Suter and Parise earn $22M of their $98M contracts in the first 12 months, or 22.4%. Weber's set to earn $27M of his $110M in the first 12 months of his, or 24.5%. There's not a significant difference there.
Kin
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Hampreacher said:
Technically neither will Weber. Weber's contract calls for him to get 27 million of his 110 million contract(24.5%) between now and when his 2013 signing bonus is due. Suter and Parise's contracts call for them to get 22 million of 98 million between then and now which is 22.4% of the contract. There's really no difference there and I don't see how Nashville would have a significantly easier time coming up with the 22 million as opposed to the 27 million. They're very, very similar contracts.
As for the intent of the cap...I mean, that has nothing to do with the payment structure. If Weber gets paid 14 million next year it doesn't change how this deal affects the cap if he gets a big chunk in a lump sum vs. as salary over the course of the deal. The argument is that the extra years on the end circumvent the "intent" of the cap which A) I think is bogus as teams aren't required to play by the unwritten "intent" of anything B) I think isn't true, as I think most of these guys will play until their contracts expire and C) applies to other things. You know what circumvents the intent of the cap in the same way? Waiving a guy like Finger to the minors.
Has integrity-laden Burke ripped into this offer sheet yet? If not, you know it's coming.
I hate everything about the Flyers except the way they make, or at least attempt to make, things happen. Cap circumventing deals, trading for rights in order to have first crack at signing a player, etc.
Wish the Leafs had the same outlook.
I hate everything about the Flyers except the way they make, or at least attempt to make, things happen. Cap circumventing deals, trading for rights in order to have first crack at signing a player, etc.
Wish the Leafs had the same outlook.