Report: Shea Weber agrees to offer sheet with PHI (Dreger on twitter)

[GhostofPotvin29]

Has integrity-laden Burke ripped into this offer sheet yet? If not, you know it's coming.

I hate everything about the Flyers except the way they make, or at least attempt to make, things happen. Cap circumventing deals, trading for rights in order to have first crack at signing a player, etc.

Wish the Leafs had the same outlook.

Burke has said he is willing to offer-sheet to a player.  Who knows, maybe he's even tried before and the player hasn't signed it.

 

[bustaheims]

Burke has said he is willing to offer-sheet to a player.  Who knows, maybe he's even tried before and the player hasn't signed it.

Yeah. Burke's been pretty consistent in presenting himself as not being against offer sheets, but being against not going to the team first to let them know your intent and to try to negotiate a trade. From all accounts, Nashville was aware this was going to happen well before the deal was signed and filed with the league.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Burke has said he is willing to offer-sheet to a player.  Who knows, maybe he's even tried before and the player hasn't signed it.

Yeah. Burke's been pretty consistent in presenting himself as not being against offer sheets, but being against not going to the team first to let them know your intent and to try to negotiate a trade. From all accounts, Nashville was aware this was going to happen well before the deal was signed and filed with the league.

I thought the main reason he was all angry about it was that he felt Edmonton had paid so much for Penner.  His quote at the time was:

"I think [an offer sheet] it's a tool certainly a team is entitled to use," Burke said last July. "My issue here is this is the second time this year in my opinion Edmonton have offered a grossly inflated salary for a player, and it impacts on all 30 teams and I think it's an act of desperation by a general manager who is fighting to keep his job."

As recently as June 2011 he was asked about offer sheets and said he wasn't going to do one, but when asked if that meant he wouldn't do one ever he said "no I didn't say that", or something along those lines.

 

[bustaheims]

I thought the main reason he was all angry about it was that he felt Edmonton had paid so much for Penner.  His quote at the time was:

"I think [an offer sheet] it's a tool certainly a team is entitled to use," Burke said last July. "My issue here is this is the second time this year in my opinion Edmonton have offered a grossly inflated salary for a player, and it impacts on all 30 teams and I think it's an act of desperation by a general manager who is fighting to keep his job."

As recently as June 2011 he was asked about offer sheets and said he wasn't going to do one, but when asked if that meant he wouldn't do one ever he said "no I didn't say that", or something along those lines.

He's also said on a couple occasions that he didn't like the way Lowe went about it - not contacting Burke first to try to negotiate a trade, give him a head's up, etc. I felt it was underhanded and in poor form.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yep, you're right.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Do NTCs/NMCs on the offersheet apply to the Preds if they match?

His agent has stated that the offer sheet does not contain a no-trade clause. It appears as though that's something that can only be discussed after the offer sheet it matched or not.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Do NTCs/NMCs on the offersheet apply to the Preds if they match?

His agent has stated that the offer sheet does not contain a no-trade clause. It appears as though that's something that can only be discussed after the offer sheet it matched or not.

Even if Nashville matches it seems like Shea Weber wants out.  He will simply ask for a trade at the earliest time.  So Nashville can take the picks now or try to get a Rick Nash deal.

 

[drummond]

With Suter and Weber gone, Hal Gill is Nashville?s best d-men... It is a blow to their team of a collosal magnitude.

 

[Kin]

Burke has said he is willing to offer-sheet to a player.  Who knows, maybe he's even tried before and the player hasn't signed it.

Yeah. Burke's been pretty consistent in presenting himself as not being against offer sheets, but being against not going to the team first to let them know your intent and to try to negotiate a trade. From all accounts, Nashville was aware this was going to happen well before the deal was signed and filed with the league.

I thought the main reason he was all angry about it was that he felt Edmonton had paid so much for Penner.  His quote at the time was:

"I think [an offer sheet] it's a tool certainly a team is entitled to use," Burke said last July. "My issue here is this is the second time this year in my opinion Edmonton have offered a grossly inflated salary for a player, and it impacts on all 30 teams and I think it's an act of desperation by a general manager who is fighting to keep his job."

As recently as June 2011 he was asked about offer sheets and said he wasn't going to do one, but when asked if that meant he wouldn't do one ever he said "no I didn't say that", or something along those lines.

I have to be honest, I'd prefer the interpretation that Burke was against them in totality rather than what you guys are kicking around. That just makes him sound A) wrong and B) inventing a standard by which other GM's should play by.

 

[Bullfrog]

I have to be honest, I'd prefer the interpretation that Burke was against them in totality rather than what you guys are kicking around. That just makes him sound A) wrong and B) inventing a standard by which other GM's should play by.

I disagree. It's a similar situation that I deal with on occasion in construction contracts. Both the Owner and Contractor have the right to submit claims against each other for costs due to delays, unforeseen circumstances, etc. It's always courteous to provide some indication that a claim is being contemplated rather than just coldly throwing it on their desk with no warning. Doing so denies the other the chance to rectify the situation prior to claims being made. It's not conducive to a give-and-take atmosphere and can create a strained relationship. Nonetheless, these claims are a common occurence and are permitted options for the parties to the contract.

Similarly, offer sheets are allowed by the CBA and I think it's fair that a GM can approve of their use while still having his own principles on how GM's should conduct themselves when making them.

 

[Kin]

I disagree. It's a similar situation that I deal with on occasion in construction contracts. Both the Owner and Contractor have the right to submit claims against each other for costs due to delays, unforeseen circumstances, etc. It's always courteous to provide some indication that a claim is being contemplated rather than just coldly throwing it on their desk with no warning. Doing so denies the other the chance to rectify the situation prior to claims being made. It's not conducive to a give-and-take atmosphere and can create a strained relationship. Nonetheless, these claims are a common occurence and are permitted options for the parties to the contract.

I can't speak to the construction business with any degree of authority but I have to guess that the gigantic differences between it and the NHL in terms of the naturally adversarial role between teams render that comparison strained at best.

Similarly, offer sheets are allowed by the CBA and I think it's fair that a GM can approve of their use while still having his own principles on how GM's should conduct themselves when making them.

A GM can absolutely have his own set of principles. It's just naive to think that your principles should or will be adopted by the world at large.

 

[Corn Flake]

Do NTCs/NMCs on the offersheet apply to the Preds if they match?

His agent has stated that the offer sheet does not contain a no-trade clause. It appears as though that's something that can only be discussed after the offer sheet it matched or not.

Nashville should match, then trade him to the Islanders.

 

[Joe S.]

Nashville should match, then trade him to the Islanders.

If they match, aren't they stuck with him for a year?

 

[Kin]

Nashville should match, then trade him to the Islanders.

If they match, aren't they stuck with him for a year?

Basically. So they'd be agreeing to pay him 27 million dollars for a year's worth of service out of spite.

 

[bustaheims]

Basically. So they'd be agreeing to pay him 27 million dollars for a year's worth of service out of spite.

Or because they legitimately feel they can get better asset value for him by putting him on the open market for trade next summer.

 

[Corn Flake]

Nashville should match, then trade him to the Islanders.

If they match, aren't they stuck with him for a year?

Not sure. Some info I saw suggested that Nashville could move him if they wanted to but for sure Philli could not move him for a calendar year if NSH walks from the offer and they land him that way.  Need to confirm though.

 

[Kin]

Or because they legitimately feel they can get better asset value for him by putting him on the open market for trade next summer.

I guess but you'd have to think you could get a ton more to make it worth that kind of cash.

 

[Frank E]

Basically. So they'd be agreeing to pay him 27 million dollars for a year's worth of service out of spite.

Or because they legitimately feel they can get better asset value for him by putting him on the open market for trade next summer.

Asset value greater than an extra $12 million bucks of cash?

 

[Kin]

Asset value greater than an extra $12 million bucks of cash?

No, it's the full 27, right? Like their choice would be the 4 first rounders and paying Weber squat and paying him this year, being on the hook for next year's bonus and then trying to get what you could for him.

 

[bustaheims]

Not sure. Some info I saw suggested that Nashville could move him if they wanted to but for sure Philli could not move him for a calendar year if NSH walks from the offer and they land him that way.  Need to confirm though.

Whoever's saying that is wrong. It's the other way around. Philly would be free to move him, Nashville would not.