Rick Nash potentially available
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hockeyfan1
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http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/44919-Campbell-Is-Rick-Nash-worth-a-superstar-return.html
Let?s take the five teams who are reportedly on his list of teams to which Nash would agree to be traded ? the New York Rangers, Vancouver Canucks, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Toronto Maple Leafs. Now ask yourself the following questions. Would Nash: (a) transform the Rangers from a gritty, defense-first team with serious offensive shortcomings into a legitimate threat for the Stanley Cup; (b) put the Canucks over the top; (c) be the key to a Bruins repeat; (d) help the Sharks shed their (not entirely deserved) reputation as chronic playoff underachievers; or, (e) make the Maple Leafs a true playoff team with potential to have an impact in the post-season?
If you can provide an unequivocal affirmative response to any one of those scenarios, then Nash is obviously a player worth pursuing and paying a steep price to acquire.
If it were the Rangers, the return would be something along the lines of top prospects Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller and Brandon Dubinsky. The Canucks would have to start with Cory Schneider and probably include the blossoming Cody Hodgson. The Bruins would likely have to part with at least Tuukka Rask and top defense prospect Dougie Hamilton. The Sharks are looking at losing the likes of Joe Pavelski and Jamie McGinn, along with defense prospect Justin Braun and other prospects. The Maple Leafs would almost certainly have to part with young defenseman Jake Gardiner and Nazem Kadri.
That?s a huge price for any one of those organizations to absorb, particularly when you factor in the contract.
Let?s take the five teams who are reportedly on his list of teams to which Nash would agree to be traded ? the New York Rangers, Vancouver Canucks, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Toronto Maple Leafs. Now ask yourself the following questions. Would Nash: (a) transform the Rangers from a gritty, defense-first team with serious offensive shortcomings into a legitimate threat for the Stanley Cup; (b) put the Canucks over the top; (c) be the key to a Bruins repeat; (d) help the Sharks shed their (not entirely deserved) reputation as chronic playoff underachievers; or, (e) make the Maple Leafs a true playoff team with potential to have an impact in the post-season?
If you can provide an unequivocal affirmative response to any one of those scenarios, then Nash is obviously a player worth pursuing and paying a steep price to acquire.
If it were the Rangers, the return would be something along the lines of top prospects Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller and Brandon Dubinsky. The Canucks would have to start with Cory Schneider and probably include the blossoming Cody Hodgson. The Bruins would likely have to part with at least Tuukka Rask and top defense prospect Dougie Hamilton. The Sharks are looking at losing the likes of Joe Pavelski and Jamie McGinn, along with defense prospect Justin Braun and other prospects. The Maple Leafs would almost certainly have to part with young defenseman Jake Gardiner and Nazem Kadri.
That?s a huge price for any one of those organizations to absorb, particularly when you factor in the contract.
ontariojames
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At Nash's cap hit I would really like to know beforehand how good he can be with better linemates and/or the opponents not only having to worry about shutting him down. Regardless of poor support, his 70ish points a year in Columbus worries me when thinking of what we'd have to give up. It's worth noting that other players in bad situations have put up monster numbers despite a lack of support. If we were to give up what I'm assuming we'd have to and take on his cap hit he darn well better be atleast an 85-90 point guy.
Corn Flake
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hockeyfan1 said:
I'm still having trouble understanding where the comparable trades from the past come from that lead these media types to the conclusions they come to about the cost for a player. After 2 weeks of this they still seem to generically throw out the same names.
I think the player + prospect + 1st + conditional pick or mid-tier prospect is the basic framework to what he is worth. Each of those pieces go up and down in value depending on what teams are willing to do. Nowhere do I see teams giving up two blue chip young players.
the dingo ate my baby
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TML fan said:
I'm over Nash. I'm on this train now. How do you guys rank the league's young back up goalies? I always hear about Schneider, Bernier, and Rask. Anyone else worth paying a decent price for as a lock starter on the Leafs?
Corn Flake
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the dingo ate my baby said:
Unless you could get Schneider or Rask I wouldn't bother going after a young goalie. I doubt either is available. Bernier would cost a lot and hasn't really proved he can be a #1 so going nuts to get him might put you in the same place we are in today.
I would go get a proven veteran guy instead. Heck, Giguere is having a great resurgent season in Colorado and reported to be available.
Kin
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Corn Flake said:
I think the problem is that a trade like this just doesn't get made that often so there aren't really good comparisons either way. That's why I think most media folk are reporting rumours about what Columbus is asking for as opposed to trying to peg down Nash's worth in any definitive sense.
I mean, a guy Nash's age who has his talent level/accomplishments and multiple years left on his deal and who isn't demanding out? How many guys like that have been traded? I mean....maybe Richards and Thornton?
Corn Flake
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Saint Nik said:
Richards, Carter, Luongo, Thronton .. yep it is slim pickings for sure. The problem with Nash is what has he really accomplished? I think we both agree on his potential and what he will likely do after a trade (explode) but until now he's led a team that has been in in the basement all but 1 year.
Richards would be the best comparable since nobody is nuts enough to do what Boston did. So a top end prospect, very good winger and a 2nd round pick. I think that is pretty much fair for Nash too. The key being that trade involved 1 top prospect and not 2.
Gardiner's name is where I think they lose me. He's waaayyyy too valuable to be part of a deal like this. He's already established himself in the NHL, log 20 mins / night and well on his way along the path to becoming an elite player. You just don't toss guys like that into trades like this. His value alone IMO would be a top prospect + 1st + maybe more.
groundskeeper willie
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Corn Flake said:
Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand how Nash is worth more than Mike Richards was last summer. Top prospect, decent young roster player, 1st/2nd round pick. Pretty standard stuff it would seem.
The only question I can see is if Columbus would rather hang onto Nash than take a package like that.
Richards is having a statistically bad season in LA, any chance they've soured on him?
bustaheims said:
I haven't watched him except in highlights but I do recall that the Canadian Olympic team staff decided to line him up against Ovechkin when we played the Russians. And I think the rationale was that he was a big body who could help defend against him.
Unrelated: stats I have seen suggest that in terms of goal scoring, top forwards often peak as early as 23. So in terms of raw scoring ability, he is unlikely to get better. But that doesn't mean his stats can't improve if he switches teams or his puck distribution skills or defense can't improve, making him a better all around player.
7.8 million is a scary risk when we don't know what will happen with the cap.
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groundskeeper willie said:
Nash really isn't worth it. Compound the fact I don't think he's necessarily the answer here, so there is no way I want to see Burke blowing the team's brains out for him.
But we have to look at this from Columbus's perspective. They don't have to trade Nash, especially for the sake of doing so or because he has hinted as such. They have every right to be asking for the moon and nothing less. This isn't just a rebuild waiting in the balance. You could argue the franchise hangs in the balance on this trade. Trading their franchise guy they've built around for years for anything less than a homerun (grand slam as someone put it) could be the death knell in an already pathetic franchise (on a results oriented basis).
Trying to sell their fans and season ticket holders on a Kadri/Colborne (top prospect), Kulemin (decent young roster player) and a 1st/2nd just doesn't seem enough to make it fly.
