Corn Flake
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Madferret said:bustaheims said:McLeaf said:
So, the new "Antropov, Colaiacovo and a 1st" for Nash?
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its pretty cool they are marketing your new business, eh?
Rick Nash potentially available
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its pretty cool they are marketing your new business, eh?
Mack674
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Bender said:
Im not trying to draw a comparison to Schenn vs Gardiner as much as I am that a few years ago the mindset was the same that Schenn was a young defenseman with alot of potential just like Gardiner is now, and that you would be trading "potential" for "proven asset". Gardiner could be awesome in 2 seasons. Or he could be back in AHL, who knows. What I do know for a fact though, is that Rick Nash is awesome now and has been for quite some time. Im not entirely sold on him being worth 7.8 million dollars per season, but he's not far off. I would not be the least bit surprised to see him planted in New York or LA and have an 85 point season. Does Gardiner have that kind of potential?
Make the trade or don't, I can't really complain either way. I've pretty much always found Burkes reasoning to be pretty sound.
Mack674 said:
That's true, but that's kind of how it is with prospects. You throw them into the ocean and they either sink, swim, or tread water.
Meh, I do think that Gardiner has more tools to become a better overall defenseman than Schenn (his skating, poise and calmness with the puck etc) and I think thats why he's probably a safer projection. Schenn wasn't ever going to be an all star, which I think is some of the problem with the hype that surrounded him at the time, but the comparisons were always Adam Foote, not Chris Pronger.
Meh. Just a couple thoughts.
Guilt Trip
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I don't know why everyone is so in favour of dumping Schenn. He's 22 years old, and is actually the only Leafs D that hits consistently. I don't think he's hit his ceiling yet and is still learning.
And to the Nash is "awesome" right now.....No he isn't and has never been. Sundin was awesome and Nash isn't on the same level as him even tho he's paid like he is. I'd personally be going after Carter. Word has it that Grabbo wants north of 5 mill and truth be told.....Carter is better then Grabbo so if your going to spend that coin, spend it on the better player....and younger too.
And to the Nash is "awesome" right now.....No he isn't and has never been. Sundin was awesome and Nash isn't on the same level as him even tho he's paid like he is. I'd personally be going after Carter. Word has it that Grabbo wants north of 5 mill and truth be told.....Carter is better then Grabbo so if your going to spend that coin, spend it on the better player....and younger too.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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jonlleafs said:
Wasn't that just a pick that NJ turned into Nieds? Knowing Leafs they would have selected another Todd Warriner with it.
Mack674 said:
It's not all of a sudden to me, fwiw, from the get go his skating set him apart but in a pretty short span his hockey iq and poise has really come to the fore. He's made adjustments to his game in that time that are fairly remarkable both offensively and defensively ( not perfect but already he's logging top minutes effectively ) and I think it's pretty obvious the Leafs have something special with him. It wasn't that long ago we were questioning whether a one for one trade for Bobby Ryan for him was worth it, not much has changed in that regard.
the dingo ate my baby
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Gardiner51 said:
Komi has a no move. No way he waives for Columbus.
the dingo ate my baby
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Gardiner51 said:the dingo ate my baby said:
Well he has a list of 10 teams he has to give in for his NMC... 66% of chance that CBJ is not on that list
Even if his list was 5 teams, I'd give CLB a fair shot at being on it. Point taken though.
Mack674
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I would much prefer Nash over Carter, the reason being I see Nash as a much more physical and dominating presence that can create space and time for other guys on the team, help establish the power play especially in front of the net and really solidify the penalty kill among other things. He's a tougher, meaner player and I tend to prefer those over the finesse guys.
I might be mistaken about Carter and correct me if im wrong but isnt he sort of a soft player? They have a tendency to vanish when the going gets rough and when it does, you need those Gary Roberts type players to rally the troops and push back.
EDIT: However, yes, I agree that Nash is overpaid. A whopping amount no. I would prefer somewhere in the 6-7m area but who doesnt want cheaper players? He costs what he costs so take it or leave it. The way I see it, its not like there are any alternative. Nash, Carter, or nobody and hope Joe Colbourne is the second coming of Sundin or Wendel Clark. How often do star players become available? You have to try and pick them up when they do.
I might be mistaken about Carter and correct me if im wrong but isnt he sort of a soft player? They have a tendency to vanish when the going gets rough and when it does, you need those Gary Roberts type players to rally the troops and push back.
EDIT: However, yes, I agree that Nash is overpaid. A whopping amount no. I would prefer somewhere in the 6-7m area but who doesnt want cheaper players? He costs what he costs so take it or leave it. The way I see it, its not like there are any alternative. Nash, Carter, or nobody and hope Joe Colbourne is the second coming of Sundin or Wendel Clark. How often do star players become available? You have to try and pick them up when they do.
The Red Polar Bear
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Why not go for broke: Nash AND Carter 
ZBBM
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Bender said:
Actually iirc the comparisons were to both. One scout called Schenn the best defensive defenseman he'd seen in 25 years. Others called him not just a hitter but a destroyer a la Pronger. Admittedly more compared him to Foote. But there was mention of Pronger too.
MissConduct
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Kadri is overrated, we have enough "D", Kulemin sucks and the draft is crap this year anyways, so DO it
Mack674
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I would do that deal as well although Ive got to believe Columbus will be offerred a better package from New York.
Glen Sather goes all out on every single available player of any calibre, nomatter what the scenario. If he was told Tie Domi was coming out of retirement and that he was playing like mario lemieux, he would offer him a billion dollar contract. If you havn't noticed, I really can't stand the Rangers lol
I think he'll give columbus whatever they want/ask for. He's addicted to acquiring players.
Glen Sather goes all out on every single available player of any calibre, nomatter what the scenario. If he was told Tie Domi was coming out of retirement and that he was playing like mario lemieux, he would offer him a billion dollar contract. If you havn't noticed, I really can't stand the Rangers lol
I think he'll give columbus whatever they want/ask for. He's addicted to acquiring players.