Rick Nash potentially available

[Deebo]

McKenzie on Rick Nash.

 

[Corn Flake]

Do the Leafs even have the assets to get this guy?

Yes.

Its how many they want to give up that is the question.

 

[Corn Flake]

Eklund is saying it's Penner, Hunter, Bernier, and a pick. That'd be a bigger fleecing than the Phaneuf deal.

He got a lot of shots taken at him from many mainstream media for this one. The guys who usually leave him alone were all over him. Even McKenzie took a shot at it, indirectly. 

 

[Erndog]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

 

[Corn Flake]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

I can see why CBJ would ask for the moon right now for Nash. Why not? They don't have to trade him at the deadline but might as well try and see if a team will go off their rockers to get him.  Could they get a team to bite on some massive offer? I think they can. 

I can't see NYR blowing a hole that big in their team, not based on that list of players CBJ wants. No team guts themselves like that this close to the finish line. I think given where the Leafs are in their evolution as a team they could more afford to blow a big hole in the roster vs. the Rangers risking damage to what looks like a contender. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

Not for Nash... For Getzlaf? I might.

 

[Zee]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

I can see why CBJ would ask for the moon right now for Nash. Why not? They don't have to trade him at the deadline but might as well try and see if a team will go off their rockers to get him.  Could they get a team to bite on some massive offer? I think they can. 

I can't see NYR blowing a hole that big in their team, not based on that list of players CBJ wants. No team guts themselves like that this close to the finish line. I think given where the Leafs are in their evolution as a team they could more afford to blow a big hole in the roster vs. the Rangers risking damage to what looks like a contender.

Yeah the Rangers are under no pressure at all to make a trade.  There's no way I see them trading away a bunch of guys off the roster to land Nash.  They're already a solid team why break that up in a move that might not even work?

 

[Sudafederov]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

If Burke did land Nash (RW), where do you slot him in the line up?

 

[maplesyrup]

Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

If Burke did land Nash (RW), where do you slot him in the line up?

Some time ago when Nash's name was first brought up, I thought it would be a slam dunk to bump Lupul off Kessel's line but now, I'm not so sure. In fact, I think a line featuring Grabo and Nash would become our de facto # 1 and the Lupul/Bozak/Kessel line would form a nice #2 or #1B.

 

[brothert]

Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

If Burke did land Nash (RW), where do you slot him in the line up?

Regarding the part in bold, it is a bit of a stretch to call what Thornton went for assets. 

 

[brothert]

Larry Brooks writes that in addition to Dubinksy, Kreider and a #1, CBJ wants a combo of players including Derek Stepan, Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, Artem Anisimov and Carl Hagelin.

Also, I can't remember who said it (Kypreos? Cox? Scott Morrison?) but they believed Columbus is looking for 4 young assets.  So it looks like that probably holds water.

Not sure exactly what we could offer but it would probably take something like Kulemin, Schenn, Kadri and a 1st.  High price indeed.

Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

If Burke did land Nash (RW), where do you slot him in the line up?

Regarding the part in bold, it is a bit of a stretch to call what Thornton went for assets.

IIRC Boston gave up on Thornton and gave him up for no assets.  I do think CBJ will want more than what BOS was willing to accept for Thorton

 

[Erndog]

Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Why the heck would WE do that?

So trade one potential 30-40 goal guy for another potential 30-40 goal guy?

We have the one thats 3-4 years younger... the one with $2.5M less on the cap... AND we have to give up MORE to acquire Nash?

It's non sensical.

You deal for Nash because you want to have 2 potential 40 goal guys, not just 1.

 

[Peter D.]

Is it wrong to not really want Nash?  I've never overly bought into the hype, I don't think he is the primary target we should expend a chunk of assets on, and I think the cap hit could be put to better use. 

Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

I'm not against giving up a lot (Kadri/Schenn/1st) to get another cornerstone player; I'm just not convinced it's Nash.

 

[Pucken Chronic]

I agree with ya. I love Nash and think he'd be great here.....but at a $7.3 million cap for the next 7 (I seem to recall) years at a cost of our farm system AND the team itself... Uh... not lovin' it.

 

[Corn Flake]

Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

We don't really know that to be the case though, do we? 

I guess it depends on what his list of teams looks like.

 

[bustaheims]

Is it wrong to not really want Nash?  I've never overly bought into the hype, I don't think he is the primary target we should expend a chunk of assets on, and I think the cap hit could be put to better use. 

Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

I'm not against giving up a lot (Kadri/Schenn/1st) to get another cornerstone player; I'm just not convinced it's Nash.

I'm with you - the acquisition cost and his contract really bump him down on my list of players - especially since there's a comparable, younger and cheaper alternative out there in Bobby Ryan.

 

[bustaheims]

Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

It's not really a comparable at all. I remember Quinn being interviewed the night Thornton was traded, and he seemed to be completely unaware that he was available. Boston didn't really seem to seek out the best possible deal with Thornton, they just moved him when discussions with San Jose went in that direction. Columbus, at the very least, is getting a better view of the trade landscape before they consider making a deal involving Nash.

 

[Peter D.]

Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

We don't really know that to be the case though, do we? 

I guess it depends on what his list of teams looks like.

It's always been an impression of mine that he has never been eager to play in his home town at least.  I don't know how true it is, but I could have sworn I've read to that extent over the years.  It's always stuck with me and it's one of the reasons I'm not big on him.

 

[Corn Flake]

Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Why the heck would WE do that?

So trade one potential 30-40 goal guy for another potential 30-40 goal guy?

We have the one thats 3-4 years younger... the one with $2.5M less on the cap... AND we have to give up MORE to acquire Nash?

It's non sensical.

You deal for Nash because you want to have 2 potential 40 goal guys, not just 1.

I don't know why Columbus would do it either from the angle that if they have decided to trade Nash, they are doing so to get a bunch of pieces back that have the potential to fill several holes vs. dealing a 1st line guy for another 1st line guy... the mess of the team they have would never get better that way.

From the Leafs side I could see them doing it if Burke was so intent on getting bigger up front, more physical, not able to create cap space any other way and possibly a more natural leader-type.  Still doesn't seem like the right choice to make the team better.