Rookie Tournament
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Highlander
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thanks Herman for all the commentary. Looks like Kivihalme is the real deal???
herman said:
Usually the "worse" teams in these tournaments (or the ones with the least flashy prospects) are also the oldest which makes a pretty big difference. Like you said a guy like Kivihalme really has no business playing here. I mean he's 24 years old! Same with Korshkov, he has 5 years of professional hockey under his belt. It's going to benefit them for training camp to get adjusted to the team/system a little more but it sort of goes against the spirit of having a "prospects" tournament.
herman said:
Just saw that he had 7 points in 10 games with the Red Wings to finish last season. Pretty impressive. Bet he's kicking himself for not signing with the Leafs with that gaping hole on the left side to start the season though...
herman
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Highlander said:
Yeah, like Carlton said, the caveat with Kivihalme is he?s pretty developed already and really just here to get acquainted with Keefe and Co. I do think he?s a bit more advanced in hockey sense than Calle Ros?n was when he first crossed the pond.
Good golly are the Leafs mobile in the backend though. Hollowell nearly singlehandedly tied the game at the end.
https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1171212885332307969
dappleganger
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Zee said:
Right now Liljegren looks like the odd man out (the player not progressing) but I really hope I'm wrong about that.
Dappleganger said:
I haven't watched a lick of him as a Marlie so I won't pretend to be an expert... but here's someone who can make claims about him:
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1163508664327688197
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1164201691442556934
I'm not particularly worried about his development. Seems like there was a good chance he'd have played NHL games for us last season if it wasn't for his injury.
herman
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I think people are going to be pretty happy about Liljegren as long as they're not expecting Karlsson-level offense. He spent a lot of last season going through the Rielly Process*, literally focusing on defense, PK, top shutdown minutes. And since people aren't watching the games and just looking at the points, uh duh. Sandin is going to receive similar treatment this season.
* The Reilly Process was instituted by Babcock and the rest of the coaching staff for defenseman development, specifically at the top of the depth chart.
Year 1: cushy, offensive deployment to start and get confidence built up with success; layer on responsibility as the year progresses
Year 2: the other side of the game; no PP, only PK, shudown minutes stress test to see where this players aptitudes off the puck are
Year 3: put it back together, aiming for a two-way stalwart that is reliable in all phases of the game. Might start leaning into strengths and sheltering weaknesses more.
* The Reilly Process was instituted by Babcock and the rest of the coaching staff for defenseman development, specifically at the top of the depth chart.
Year 1: cushy, offensive deployment to start and get confidence built up with success; layer on responsibility as the year progresses
Year 2: the other side of the game; no PP, only PK, shudown minutes stress test to see where this players aptitudes off the puck are
Year 3: put it back together, aiming for a two-way stalwart that is reliable in all phases of the game. Might start leaning into strengths and sheltering weaknesses more.
Redleaf
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herman said:
Agreed. I like the way the Leafs are doing this with their D. First year as a Marlie, let them show what they got and just let them play their game. 2nd season have them focus on playing defensive zone hockey. 3rd year, combine the two.....Get to the big club.... same 3 year process with Babcock.
Bender said:
If he was Canadian he wouldn't have even been eligible to play in the AHL until this upcoming season. Instead he part of an AHL championship winning defence corps at 18 and then followed that up by playing top pairing AHL minutes the next season. Like I said I'm not going to pretend to know what his ceiling is but just based off that I'd be pretty surprised if at minimum he didn't become a reliable bottom pairing defender who can move the puck.
Highlander
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Don't forget Kivihalme, Duzak, Lindgren, Kokkonen, Koster, Kral, Loponen and a long shot Rasanen (he is 6'6" all day long). One would hope that 2 or 3 of these guys can make it at some point.Zee said:
Robertson finished with 4 goals in 3 games in this tournament, putting him in a multi-way tie for 2nd among all players. All the other players with 4 goals played 4 games though so we'll just say he finished 2nd. Joe Veleno had the lead with 7 goals in 4 games.
He finished in a multi-way tie for 3rd in goals with 15. But in shots per game he would have finished 1st in the tournament.
Kivihalme had 4 points in 2 games.
He finished in a multi-way tie for 3rd in goals with 15. But in shots per game he would have finished 1st in the tournament.
Kivihalme had 4 points in 2 games.
herman
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CarltonTheBear said:
Today, Joe Veleno is about 19.75 years old. Today, Nick Robertson turned 18. 24.25 years ago, Kivihalme was born in Cloquet, Minnesota where his father Janne was playing for the University of Wisconsin-Superior alongside Nick Mulvey, who both ended up becoming the Assistant Coach at Burnsville High (Janne was the head coach), coaching, you guessed it, Teemu Kivihalme from 2011 to 2013. Prior to taking the Burnsville head coaching job, Janne was the assistant coach at Minnetonka, where Jake Gardiner played. - Pierre Maguire, probably.