Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Bender said:
But Marner sure wants to be paid like McDavid.
SCF: Florida Panthers vs. Edmonton Oilers
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But Marner sure wants to be paid like McDavid.
The Oilers just didn't look like they had it in the last 10 minutes of the game. They made questionable decisions except for the McDavid tip. McDavid trying to deke his way through players with a few minutes left seemed desperate and I told my friend they were going to regret not pulling Skinner when they had the chance. Instead the Panthers started to kill the clock and the Oilers just couldn't get any momentum back.
The better constructed team won.
The better constructed team won.
herman
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Edmonton got pretty good at burning Florida off the rush when they were able to shed the first forecheck (games 3-6), but Florida really tamped it down as the Oilers started to run out of gas and brought the game down to their own comfort zone (and outside Edmonton's): grinding the play into the boards.
Regardless of result, I am just glad this series really highlighted the importance of attacking off the rush. If I could point to one reason Keefe's Leafs always got bottled up by lesser opponents in the playoffs, I'd point to this fact. Instead of always trying to generate offense with a powerplay mentality through skill and control and schemes and homerun passes, teams that play effective playoff hockey operate like they're on the penalty kill all the time: the will to win the pucks, structurally focused team defense, and just get it out, or spring a breakaway rush.
Regardless of result, I am just glad this series really highlighted the importance of attacking off the rush. If I could point to one reason Keefe's Leafs always got bottled up by lesser opponents in the playoffs, I'd point to this fact. Instead of always trying to generate offense with a powerplay mentality through skill and control and schemes and homerun passes, teams that play effective playoff hockey operate like they're on the penalty kill all the time: the will to win the pucks, structurally focused team defense, and just get it out, or spring a breakaway rush.
louisstamos
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Nik said:
I was waiting for this post. Never change, Nik. ??
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Bender said:
It is ridiculous to conclude that I'm comparing Marner to McDavid.
I'm critical of this stupid games 5-7 yardstick.
And maybe the hypocrisy of how it might be applied to one but overlooked for another.
What seems asinine to me is to cheery pick stats like that - ignoring what a player did in playoff games 1-4. Every playoff game is important. They all count. Playoff stats are too small of a sample size as it is to draw much meaning. To start relying on a subset of something that is already questionably small and place great reliance on it is bonkers. The Leafs have played 57 playoff games over 8 years - that's not even 70% of one regular season. A little more than 1 playoff series per season and an assessment of a player's worth all comes down to a few playoff games from a series? That's nuts.
The folks voting for the Conn Smythe don't look at it that way which is as it should be. They didn't look exclusively at the team result either. The teams lining up to pay Marner $11-12 mil/yr won't be cherry picking playoff stats either. They would be laughed out of the negotiations when his agent can show Marner as the Leafs leading playoff scorer. They know better.
The other thing this stupid cherry picking misses on a grotesque level, for example, is what happens in the other end of the ice. Marner gives you a quality effort in both ends of the ice. Where is that shown in these cherry picked scoring stats? Hocus pocus. It is not there.
cabber24 said:
But that is not what is being talked about. It is points during elimination games within those 8 playoffs. So its 20+ games or something. It only assesses points. It doesn't assess the other aspects of play. It doesn't assess circumstances or how he was employed, etc. It is not a reliable measurement. Yet it has been something used and bantered about how he's not good in the playoffs.
Where Marner plays is up to Marner. I have no idea how that is going to shake out. I suspect they'll be faced with him testing the UFA market and potentially losing him for nothing. I am concerned with how they will replace that talent within next 4 years which is probably all they have left with Matthews if they don't win. I'm not in love with Marner. He's a good player. His departure as a UFA could damage their chances of doing anything of note with Matthews - that is what concerns me.
Paul Maurice spoke last night about 27 players who helped them win.
The Leafs core 4 represent 22% of the team's typical ice time. They've proven themselves to be good players. How about the supporting cast - the other 19 players of a 23 man roster?
What does the goaltending look like? Has it been Cup caliber the last number of years? I don't think so.
How about the D? Do we have 3 dmen who could crack Florida's D? I wonder.
Under the present circumstances, focusing on improving the supporting cast is likely to bear the most fruit.
If Marner said "Go ahead GM, get what you can for me" and he returned a stud dman, I'd probably be pretty happy depending on how good that dman was.
But that doesn't appear to be in the cards. Marner's camp have reportedly withdrawn discussions on an extension - which appears to equate to him playing out his contract in Toronto and testing the UFA market if the Leafs don't make him an fair offer.
Marner's 20 mins/game is 5.6% of the team's ice time in a game. In that time, he a top 10 NHL scorer, in the top tier of NHL +/-, the teams top playoff scorer and top forward in +/-.
Losing that for nothing is going to make this team better? I don't think so. The chances of replacing that on the UFA market next summer isn't great. You can get two players that will take up double the ice time to get you the same points.
I'm a Leafs fan. I care about the team. The whole issue with Marner is about what is best for the team under the circumstances. Not some deep affection for the player.
LittleHockeyFan
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according to some Oilers sources, Draisatl was playing -against doctor's orders- with a broken tibia.
Guilt Trip
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Not a chance. Weight bearing bone, you wouldn't be able to walk with one that was broken. Word on X is a broken finger and rib. McD abdominal injury. At the end of the day they only say this stuff to make the fans feel betterLittleHockeyFan said:
LittleHockeyFan
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yep. that came out officially today. guess the 'source' misunderstood something.Guilt Trip said:
That they were both playing injured was obvious though.
L K
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Guilt Trip said:
There are certain avulsion stule fractures where it's possible. A tibial plateau fracture can be misdiagnosed for a while too although highly unlikely to be missed for long with the crusting of professional sports.
Fibulae fractures are the ones that players sometimes play with. Only does about 10% of the load bearing for the leg and that can be further mitigated by muscle strength in the calf. It's already been reported as rib/finger fractures but Draisaitl wasn't skating like he had a lower body injury