Schenn's Next deal

[Tigger]

Just get it done already, I really don't see what the holdup could be.  Burke is offering less than what the Schenn camp is asking?

Also, why haven't teams placed an offer sheet for him?

I don't have the details handy but I don't think offer sheets are used very often.

 

[Madferret]

3 years 10 million

 

[Tigger]

I think if we see a short-term 3-year deal, it's going to be slightly north of 4 mil. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's less.

So how do you buy ufa years the way you suggested if that's the case?

 

[maplesyrup]

I think if we see a short-term 3-year deal, it's going to be slightly north of 4 mil. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's less.

So how do you buy ufa years the way you suggested if that's the case?

Not sure I follow, Tig... but my hope is that Schenn might want some long-term stability. 30-35 mil. over 7/8 years? There may be some appeal to that.

 

[bustaheims]

Just get it done already, I really don't see what the holdup could be.  Burke is offering less than what the Schenn camp is asking?

Also, why haven't teams placed an offer sheet for him?

Just because he hasn't signed one doesn't mean teams haven't offered him any.

 

[Tigger]

I think if we see a short-term 3-year deal, it's going to be slightly north of 4 mil. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's less.

So how do you buy ufa years the way you suggested if that's the case?

Not sure I follow, Tig... but my hope is that Schenn might want some long-term stability. 30-35 mil. over 7/8 years? There may be some appeal to that.

You suggested 8 years 4 mil per, if he's going to opt for more money on a 3 year deal how does he leave the ufa $ on the table in that case? I understand what you're saying about stability but I think his earning potential outweighs that.

He might get north of 4, can't say I really disagree with the possibility.

 

[oldrugbyguy]

I have a feeling it is already worked with BB but not public till we get the 1C the Leafs are looking for. When bodies are moved the deal for Schenn comes out.

 

[Damian]

I have a feeling it is already worked with BB but not public till we get the 1C the Leafs are looking for. When bodies are moved the deal for Schenn comes out.

would like to think thats indeed the case, but I cant see most agents doing that. They're too greasy

 

[CaptainObvious]

Doesn't Burkie "like" to get them for one year beyond RFA? 4years at 3.75mil.

 

[nutman]

I hope he signs soon so we go into camp with all signed.

 

[cw]

http://twitter.com/#!/koshtorontosun/status/91191280935256064
koshtorontosun Terry Koshan
#Leafs #NHL With Brian Burke and David Nonis on vacation, there are no talks happening right now with Luke Schenn's representatives

Leafs are not the only team who have left some RFAs to sign

 

[princedpw]

The Caps just signed defenseman Karl Alzner to a $2.57 million, two-year contract.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6772926/washington-capitals-re-sign-karl-alzner

Alzner played 20 minutes per game on a good team.  He's 22.  He's a defensive defenseman.  He's second on his team in plus/minus to Carlson at +14.  A fifth overall draft pick.

Is he better than Schenn?  Worse?  In any event, it seems like this contract has got to come in to play when evaluating Schenn's worth.  (Which is why I've put it in this thread.)  If this is a benchmark, how does it affect Schenn?

 

[maplesyrup]

The Caps just signed defenseman Karl Alzner to a $2.57 million, two-year contract.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6772926/washington-capitals-re-sign-karl-alzner

Alzner played 20 minutes per game on a good team.  He's 22.  He's a defensive defenseman.  He's second on his team in plus/minus to Carlson at +14.  A fifth overall draft pick.

Is he better than Schenn?  Worse?  In any event, it seems like this contract has got to come in to play when evaluating Schenn's worth.  (Which is why I've put it in this thread.)  If this is a benchmark, how does it affect Schenn?

I think Schenn is better and therefore worth more but that's no knock on Alzner. The Caps got a great friggin' deal there IMO.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Alzner is very good, but for me he's not half as good as Schenn.

 

[gilmourthegreat]

Same here, 4 million per season sounds good to me, and I'd love to have him under contract with the Leafs for 8 years.  I have to wonder though if to get him signed for that long, will Burke have to pay him a little higher than 4 million per year?

I think so. You're paying for what, three or four UFA years there? If Schenn is worth four million right now, pretty hard to argue his UFA years are worth the same.

No argument, but I think the long-term security of an 8-year deal has value to the player in itself. It could be worth it to Schenn to take RFA money over the whole deal in exchange for a virtual guarantee of the full amount. Defensive defencemen play a physically punishing role, and I would understand one such as Schenn taking 32-40,000,000 birds in hand over 40-50,000,000 in the bush.

I'm not saying Schenn would be a fool to decline an 8-year, 36 million dollar contract, but he would be a fool not to consider it first.

 

[Erndog]

The Caps just signed defenseman Karl Alzner to a $2.57 million, two-year contract.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6772926/washington-capitals-re-sign-karl-alzner

Alzner played 20 minutes per game on a good team.  He's 22.  He's a defensive defenseman.  He's second on his team in plus/minus to Carlson at +14.  A fifth overall draft pick.

Is he better than Schenn?  Worse?  In any event, it seems like this contract has got to come in to play when evaluating Schenn's worth.  (Which is why I've put it in this thread.)  If this is a benchmark, how does it affect Schenn?

That deal only bodes well for us.

I figure Schenn will come in somehwere between Alzner and Marc Staal now.  I think 3 years around $3M per seems about right.

 

[cw]

The Caps just signed defenseman Karl Alzner to a $2.57 million, two-year contract.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/6772926/washington-capitals-re-sign-karl-alzner

Alzner played 20 minutes per game on a good team.  He's 22.  He's a defensive defenseman.  He's second on his team in plus/minus to Carlson at +14.  A fifth overall draft pick.

Is he better than Schenn?  Worse?  In any event, it seems like this contract has got to come in to play when evaluating Schenn's worth.  (Which is why I've put it in this thread.)  If this is a benchmark, how does it affect Schenn?

Schenn's quick start in the NHL has made him more experienced & proven and therefore, more valuable/deserving in terms of getting a higher contract in my opinion.

I've always liked Alzner though. I'd quickly lean towards Schenn as to who is the better player right now but not by a mile. Alzner's clearly going to be the better bang for the contract buck over the next couple of years. Longer term, on which one will have the better career? I'd have to flip a coin as I really don't know. I like both players and think of them as fairly similar.

 

[L K]

Depends on the length of the deal.  I think the Caps get lucky because
1 - Alzner took longer to establish himself in the NHL
2 - He took a 2-year deal which means he could get a much better payday as he progresses

Ideally, with Schenn I think the Leafs should be looking for a 4-5 year deal to lock him up for a while rather than a smaller 1-2 year deal.

 

[Zee]

Ideally, with Schenn I think the Leafs should be looking for a 4-5 year deal to lock him up for a while rather than a smaller 1-2 year deal.

I think ideally, Leafs would be looking for a 3 year deal so that Schenn isn't a UFA at the end of the contract.

 

[anton girdeaux]

I'm sure there's nothing wrong with why he hasn't been signed yet, but I do hope he puts pen to paper in the not too distant future.