Sens vs Habs
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Sucker Punch
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So can we lay to rest the idea of an anti Montreal bias from the league? Way to placate the Habs, NHL.
If players are getting suspended based on the result and not the intent or hit itself, can we appeal the decision on Cooke?
If players are getting suspended based on the result and not the intent or hit itself, can we appeal the decision on Cooke?
LittleHockeyFan
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Sucker Punch said:
ANTI-Montreal?! yagottabefriggin'kiddingme! Montreal, the original treat them with kid gloves and let them get away with anything? Montreal, where in addition to the four on the ice, there's 18,000+ other officials at every game?
Sucker Punch
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Joke's on them, Wiercioch's better anyway.
L K said:
Neither did the TSN crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83qHq-RgEGM
And I agree based on that link. As someone said above, maybe the NHL has a different angle but I sure couldn't see anything wrong from what I've seen so far. Gryba was doing his job and if that isn't a hockey hit, what is?
crazyperfectdevil
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2 games for being newsworthy .....
that said maybe eventually these kind of hits will have to be taken out of the game ...the more we're learning about concussions and what not ...perhaps we'll have to change what we expect out of something meant to be entertainment...
but yeah..i find it hard to understand how random punishments really create any sense of justice..or continuity ..and that conversation would seem to be one to have between seasons..not just when the nhl knows there's a bunch of people watching...
that said maybe eventually these kind of hits will have to be taken out of the game ...the more we're learning about concussions and what not ...perhaps we'll have to change what we expect out of something meant to be entertainment...
but yeah..i find it hard to understand how random punishments really create any sense of justice..or continuity ..and that conversation would seem to be one to have between seasons..not just when the nhl knows there's a bunch of people watching...
L K
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crazyperfectdevil said:
And sure, I mean, it's kind of ugly watching a guy lie in the pool of his own blood on the ice. It was a healthy hit that very clearly had the intent to make Eller think twice about skating up the ice like that. "Intent" was certainly there to lay a big hit, but I think that is inherently a part of 95% of hits, otherwise open ice hitting would be banned altogether.
I don't get how you can bend the rules to suspend someone because the hit looks bad. Especially when a guy who is a repeat offender intentionally lifts an elbow into Grabovski's head and you manage to give it one game when that actually follows the fancy head shot rules you put in place.
If I am the NHL I should probably be far more concerned when you have Brandon Prust threatening violence against Gryba. That's apparently ok to do.
Deebo said:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=669091&navid=DL|NHL|home
I honestly don't see how you can say Eller's head is the principal point of contact. It's not. It's just not.
In Ference's case, it absolutely was. And Ference has a history. Yet he only got one game because Grabovski's face didn't slam onto the ice afterward.
GhostofPotvin29
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Terrible suspension and Shanahan is just wrong. I think most are arguable to some degree, but to me this one isn't.
Sucker Punch
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Shanny said there was no malicious intent, but it was reckless.
Subban left his feet when he hit Neil. Too bad Neiler didn't.smash his face on the ice when he went down. Subban would have gotten 5-6 games for it.
EDIT: Ew, I just called him Neiler. I'm the worst kind of fan. Next I'm gonna be calling Smith "Smitty".
Subban left his feet when he hit Neil. Too bad Neiler didn't.smash his face on the ice when he went down. Subban would have gotten 5-6 games for it.
EDIT: Ew, I just called him Neiler. I'm the worst kind of fan. Next I'm gonna be calling Smith "Smitty".
CarltonTheBear said:
Well, that seals it for me. I don't buy Shanahan's explanation. If they want that hit out of the game, then change the rules again. But under the current rules and understanding, I think Shanahan's explanation is a big, inaccurate reach that the head was targeted on that hit and therefore, it's a bogus suspension in my opinion.
They're reacting to the injury and not what the Sens player did.
GhostofPotvin29
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cw said:
It's basically luck Grabovski didn't end up with a concussion. That same play could easily result in a concussion. So Shanahan is basically saying that if that exact same play had resulted in a concussion Ference would have received a harsher suspension?
If you're going to suspend based on the result why not suspend Cooke for the play on Karlsson?
Sucker Punch
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I really think the suspension was just to placate the Habs and try to keep.this.series from getting ugly. Lucky Gryba's a scrub. If Phillips did that, no suspension.
Sucker Punch
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Aww, Kassian in for Conacher.
We're wasting a spot on a useless goon because we're afraid of who? Prust? Moen?
We're wasting a spot on a useless goon because we're afraid of who? Prust? Moen?
Sucker Punch said:
I'm not so sure. If I were a player, I'd be a little confused by the ruling as to what I could and could not do on an open ice hit. How else was Gryba supposed to play that once he committed to using his body to check - let Eller go?
The intent on Gryba's part is very murky in the worst case. But Ference's elbow is pretty clear on what his intent was. So they're not trying to keep the Boston series from getting ugly by giving Ference a near pass on a very intentional shot to a guy's head?
If Orr pounds on Ference until he knocks him out next game, the league will bear part of the blame for that in my opinion. If I were Orr, that's probably what I'd try to do - seriously punish him because the league did not.
Prust will apparently be wearing an A tonight. Because apparently calling the opposing coach names like a 7-year old = leadership.