so is Burke finished..

[dappleganger]

Well according to the Globe and Mail and Ron Wilson Komisarek is a lock
for the D. That means Gunnar or Fransen are the odd player out - in addition the would have to move Fransen from his regular right side to an unnatural (for him) left side to accomodate Komisarek.

Komisarek...the gift that keeps on giving.  :-[

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Hockey&utm_content=2178868

Maybe it's just me, but Franson hasn't looked very good so far.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Well according to the Globe and Mail and Ron Wilson Komisarek is a lock
for the D. That means Gunnar or Fransen are the odd player out - in addition the would have to move Fransen from his regular right side to an unnatural (for him) left side to accomodate Komisarek.

Komisarek...the gift that keeps on giving.  :-[

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Hockey&utm_content=2178868

Maybe it's just me, but Franson hasn't looked very good so far.

It's only been a few pre-season games but, I agree.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well according to the Globe and Mail and Ron Wilson Komisarek is a lock
for the D. That means Gunnar or Fransen are the odd player out - in addition the would have to move Fransen from his regular right side to an unnatural (for him) left side to accomodate Komisarek.

Komisarek...the gift that keeps on giving.  :-[

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Hockey&utm_content=2178868

Maybe it's just me, but Franson hasn't looked very good so far.

Well he was playing the left side for the first time in his NHL career against Philly.

 

[bustaheims]

Well according to the Globe and Mail and Ron Wilson Komisarek is a lock
for the D. That means Gunnar or Fransen are the odd player out - in addition the would have to move Fransen from his regular right side to an unnatural (for him) left side to accomodate Komisarek.

Komisarek...the gift that keeps on giving.  :-[

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Hockey&utm_content=2178868

The odd man out still could be Aulie, who hasn't looked great so far in the pre-season and is still waiver exempt.

 

[Hockey_gal]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/

What may play a role in the end is which player management thinks will clear NHL waivers. Gunnarsson just signed a two-year contract and now must clear waivers if he is sent down to the farm team, just like the veteran Komisarek.

Gunnarsson counts for $1.325-million (all currency U.S.) against the salary cap compared to Komisarek's $4.5-million in each of the next three years. Komisarek, by the way, does not have a no-trade or no-move clause in his contract. At the start of each season he is required to give the Leafs a list of at least 10 NHL teams to which he would accept a trade but he cannot block a move to one of them.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/no-seventh-heaven-for-leafs/article2178868/

What may play a role in the end is which player management thinks will clear NHL waivers. Gunnarsson just signed a two-year contract and now must clear waivers if he is sent down to the farm team, just like the veteran Komisarek.

Gunnarsson counts for $1.325-million (all currency U.S.) against the salary cap compared to Komisarek's $4.5-million in each of the next three years. Komisarek, by the way, does not have a no-trade or no-move clause in his contract. At the start of each season he is required to give the Leafs a list of at least 10 NHL teams to which he would accept a trade but he cannot block a move to one of them.

It's a nice media story and great for Gardiner to get some recognition, but in the end, they will either carry 8 defensemen or send him back to the AHL, because Komisarek will most likely not be traded and or be demoted.

 

[bustaheims]

Komisarek, by the way, does not have a no-trade or no-move clause in his contract.

I'm 99.9% the article is wrong on this part - Komisarek does have a no movement clause and a modified no-trade clause (which is what they refer to in the very next sentence).

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Komisarek, by the way, does not have a no-trade or no-move clause in his contract.

I'm 99.9% the article is wrong on this part - Komisarek does have a no movement clause and a modified no-trade clause (which is what they refer to in the very next sentence).

That, and Gunnarsson would never clear waivers.

 

[bustaheims]

That, and Gunnarsson would never clear waivers.

Probably not, no - though, quality players do have a way of sneaking through at this time of year. He'd never make it back up through re-entry, though.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

That, and Gunnarsson would never clear waivers.

Probably not, no - though, quality players do have a way of sneaking through at this time of year. He'd never make it back up through re-entry, though.

Can you imagine being the guy that has to explain to the Toronto media how you managed to lose a quality young defenseman on waivers? When you had an option to wait, while sending a choice of two others down who were exempt.

 

[Brian Glennie]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

 

[nutman]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

No i think they needed change, and we needed them gone.

 

[Bender]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

Explain how this makes sense.

 

[L K]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

Explain how this makes sense.

Giguere was bad/injured all the time I guess so Reimer might have been called up sooner.  The problem is we would still have Blake on the roster at this point wasting a roster spot and a lot of cap space.

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

Explain how this makes sense.

Giguere was bad/injured all the time I guess so Reimer might have been called up sooner.  The problem is we would still have Blake on the roster at this point wasting a roster spot and a lot of cap space.

Not having Blake on the roster gave the Leafs the capspace to make the Franson/Lombardi trade.

 

[Kessel Run]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

Explain how this makes sense.

Giguere was bad/injured all the time I guess so Reimer might have been called up sooner.  The problem is we would still have Blake on the roster at this point wasting a roster spot and a lot of cap space.

Not having Blake on the roster gave the Leafs the capspace to make the Franson/Lombardi trade.

It was more likely cap space from Kaberle that went towards Franson/Lombardi as Blake was jettisoned last year and space was spent last summer.

 

[moon111]

I think Giggy was a good role model for the next generation of goalies to see what it takes to have a career in the NHL.

 

[Bender]

But it's not like his absence coincided with the PK driving off a cliff. He was an ok PKer but not a great difference maker.

That's probably true, though, it wouldn't surprise me if the the difference in the PK effectiveness with a healthy Armstrong vs an injured Armstrong is more significant than we think. Either way, I think the biggest aide for the PK this year will be the potentially improved goaltending. No Giguere and either an improved Gustavsson or no Gustavsson could go a long way in helping them out there.

In retrospect, I wonder if we'd have been better off with Blake and Toskala last year. Seriously.

Explain how this makes sense.

Giguere was bad/injured all the time I guess so Reimer might have been called up sooner.  The problem is we would still have Blake on the roster at this point wasting a roster spot and a lot of cap space.

At the same time how can you predict that? How do we know they wouldn't try to stick with Gustavsson just as long? Or if Reimer was ready at the beginning of the season? Or Blake's contract prohibiting any signings going forward? Like Franson/Lombardi/Connolly? At least with Giguere stupid money could come off the books faster, and didn't act like a locker room cancer compared to Toskala.

 

[Kin]

Giguere was bad/injured all the time I guess so Reimer might have been called up sooner.  The problem is we would still have Blake on the roster at this point wasting a roster spot and a lot of cap space.

I think that's why the best possible way to have done things probably would have been either keep Toskala until his contract expired or make the same deal with Calgary that Anaheim did and then bury Blake in the minors. That frees up the roster spot, frees up more cap space and would have let the team potentially sign a stronger goalie in the off-season.

One of the things I've never understood about people talking about this trade is the idea that not making this trade also would have involved signing Toskala to an extension. The guy was gone in a month or so anyway.

 

[Bullfrog]

Yes, but Blake is an NHL-calibre player. I don't think just flat out burying him in the minors is something Burke would do. Also, just because TML have oodles of money, doesn't mean they happily pay millions of dollars to minor league players.