Highlander
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I think I read that Richards didnt play?
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Redleaf
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Highlander said:
If there is a way to parlay Phaneuf, Winnick, Santorelli, Franson, Lupul and Reimer into another 1st rounder (or maybe even two), Shanny has to do it without hesitation. Although, I would be tempted to keep one of Franson or Phaneuf around for some blueline experience.
bustaheims
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mc said:
He was in Manchester, but it wasn't specifically to see Richards. The scouting trip had been planned before Richards even hit the waiver wire. The Leafs have been talking to LA, and, odds are, Nonis was there to watch some of the prospect LA has on the farm. The timing was coincidental.
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Thanks MC you are correct, it is a no brainer Redleaf, we have to find a way to keep Franson, I like his game.
My only keepers, Kessel, Komorav, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner. I would like to keep Holland as well as we are both Caledon boys. Notice Bernier/Reimer are not on my list. Bernier is a good goalie, can he be a great goalie, I have my doubts, he even said he has to be mentally tougher. Heck lad, your 26 now, when is mental toughness of the Unbroken kind going to reach your game?
We need to get as many picks as we can and as early in the draft as possible. I have not been a tank person but I am buying in this year. We need a retooling.
My only keepers, Kessel, Komorav, JVR, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner. I would like to keep Holland as well as we are both Caledon boys. Notice Bernier/Reimer are not on my list. Bernier is a good goalie, can he be a great goalie, I have my doubts, he even said he has to be mentally tougher. Heck lad, your 26 now, when is mental toughness of the Unbroken kind going to reach your game?
We need to get as many picks as we can and as early in the draft as possible. I have not been a tank person but I am buying in this year. We need a retooling.
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Highlander said:
I wouldn't mind keeping Franson, but it will be just another long-term, high cap hit contract. The Leafs already have too many of those not giving good value. I think Kessel needs to go too, partly for that reason. The other part is, if the Leafs are truly going to start moving guys out and building through the draft, Kessel will be past his prime when they are a serious contender. Given that he doesn't seem to like training, I'm guessing there will come a point where his natural ability isn't enough anymore. So, trading him prior to that point, while his value is high, isn't a bad idea.
bustaheims
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mc said:
5 more years, but, yeah, unless it's straight up for Clarkson, it's not a good deal for the Leafs. Even then, it's questionable. Richards' only benefit ahead of Clarkson right now is that he plays a more important position.
bustaheims said:
Richards is a better hockey player than Clarkson, contracts aside. Even with contracts at least his is more buy-out friendly too.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Could you imagine the meltdown if they somehow agree a trade for Clarkson and it is leaked that he refused to go?
So would this be a sideways move or do you think the Leafs would get better:
To Toronto: Evgeni Malkin
To Pittsburgh: Phil Kessel, Tyler Bozak
I mean throw away the would they or won't they questions, and salary cap implications, would this particular deal make the Leafs a better team than they are today.
To Toronto: Evgeni Malkin
To Pittsburgh: Phil Kessel, Tyler Bozak
I mean throw away the would they or won't they questions, and salary cap implications, would this particular deal make the Leafs a better team than they are today.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
He was. I'm not so convinced he is anymore. His skating has really deteriorated and his points/60 is very close to Clarkson's. He has better defensive instincts, but, I'm not sure he's capable of acting on them anymore.
Significantly Insignificant said:
It absolutely makes them better.
Significantly Insignificant said:
If that's the only move it probably doesn't get up in the playoffs, but the team would be in much better shape with Malkin as their 1C than Kessel as their top winger for the next 7 years. And I'm a big Kessel fan. The loss of Bozak is really inconsequential in a deal like that.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I still don't think they make the playoffs with the difference but Malkin is one of the best players in the NHL and is a centre, so they're definitely better.
They also end up with cap space....
LuncheonMeat said:
Yes Franson is a decent player, no disagreement.
However he has made zero difference on a team that is now losing almost 100% of its games. Let's just pause to thick about that for a second - that is a staggering feat to lose an entire month's worth of games.
That money could better be spent elsewhere and his value as a trade piece is exponentially greater than his value on the ice.
He is far from alone in this regard.
This analysis applies to virtually every member of the current roster which need to be gutted like a catfish.
ZBBM
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A few lines cherry-picked from Siegel's column:
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That was the first collapse. Nearly three years later, amid three more meltdowns of varying order, change isn?t likely to be so minimal for the heart of the Leafs' roster.
And they know it.
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The results have been evident enough. This core has failed and failed repeatedly. And they understand that change is coming, that the referendum on their tenure is all but over.
?For sure,? Lupul acknowledged ahead of a 1-0 loss to the Flyers, their ninth straight. ?Your highest-paid guys are always going to be the guys that get the most praise when you?re winning and the most criticism when you?re losing. We haven?t got the job done. It?s frustrating for me because I haven?t been playing during this ? for myself that?s been the case too often.?
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Bigger and more difficult questions for Shanahan and his front office team to debate are those of the Leafs two highest-paid players: Kessel and Phaneuf. It?s difficult to envision a scenario where both return next season given all that?s taken place in their respective tenures, not to mention the as yet unknown direction of the team moving forward.
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The referendum on the core, though, is over. What?s to be done about it is all that remains.
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That was the first collapse. Nearly three years later, amid three more meltdowns of varying order, change isn?t likely to be so minimal for the heart of the Leafs' roster.
And they know it.
....
The results have been evident enough. This core has failed and failed repeatedly. And they understand that change is coming, that the referendum on their tenure is all but over.
?For sure,? Lupul acknowledged ahead of a 1-0 loss to the Flyers, their ninth straight. ?Your highest-paid guys are always going to be the guys that get the most praise when you?re winning and the most criticism when you?re losing. We haven?t got the job done. It?s frustrating for me because I haven?t been playing during this ? for myself that?s been the case too often.?
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Bigger and more difficult questions for Shanahan and his front office team to debate are those of the Leafs two highest-paid players: Kessel and Phaneuf. It?s difficult to envision a scenario where both return next season given all that?s taken place in their respective tenures, not to mention the as yet unknown direction of the team moving forward.
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The referendum on the core, though, is over. What?s to be done about it is all that remains.
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