The "Mr. T" Man of the Match Thread, 2014-15 Edition

[CarltonTheBear]

Gardiner
HM Panik

Honestly a tough game to pick from. The Leafs top line played a ton but were absolutely pummeled in the possession game all night, and they didn't exactly produce either. Bernier was so-so.

 

[Boston Leaf]

bozak
bernier

 

[freer]

Gardiner
HM Panik

Honestly a tough game to pick from. The Leafs top line played a ton but were absolutely pummeled in the possession game all night, and they didn't exactly produce either. Bernier was so-so.

Too  be honest if you look  the first line had the majority of the shots. Possession is one thing. But if all you are doing is sticking to the outside and not shooting the puck. It is all for not.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Possession is one thing. But if all you are doing is sticking to the outside and not shooting the puck. It is all for not.

That's not how possession is defined by CF%. The top-line was grossly outshot when they were on the ice, all the other lines were not.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Bernier

Gardiner

 

[L K]

Gardiner
HM Panik

Honestly a tough game to pick from. The Leafs top line played a ton but were absolutely pummeled in the possession game all night, and they didn't exactly produce either. Bernier was so-so.

Too  be honest if you look  the first line had the majority of the shots. Possession is one thing. But if all you are doing is sticking to the outside and not shooting the puck. It is all for not.

That's also not really true either.  JVR-Bozak-Kessel had 7 shots out of the Leafs 27 shots.  They played more than 40% of the game.  So they put up 25% of the Leafs shots with 40% of the team's ice-time. 

 

[ZBBM]

I'll go Bozak / Gards.

Game #31 ? LAK v TOR: Leafs 4-3 SO.  MotM: Reimer 6/3.  HM: Kadri 5/3.  Others: Santorelli 2/4, Franson 0/2.
Game #32 ? ANA v TOR: Leafs 6-2.  MotM: Bernier 13/1.  HM: Lupul 2/6.  Others: van Riemsdyk 0/2, Kessel 0/5, Kadri 0/1.
Game #33 ? TOR v CAR: Hurricanes 4-1.  MotM: Phaneuf 4/0 (unanimous).  HM: Robidas 0/2.  Others: Santorelli 0/1, Bernier 0/1.
Game #34 ? PHI v TOR: Flyers 7-4.  MotM: Holland 6/1. HM: Clarkson 0/3, Reimer 0/1, Lupul 1/0.
Game #35 ? TOR v CHI: Blackhawks 4-0.  MotM: Reimer 2/0.  HM: Gardiner 1/1.  Others: Clarkson 0/2.
Game #36 ? TOR v DAL: Leafs 4-0.  MotM: Berner 10/0.  HM: van Riemsdyk 0/9.  Others: Kadri 1/2.
Game #37 ? TOR v FLA: Panthers 5-4.  MotM: Lupul 8/1.  HM: van Riemsdyk 1/7.  Others: Reimer 0/2.
Game #38 ? TOR v TBL: Lightning 3-2.  MotM: Reimer 5/2.  HM: Gardiner 2/3.  Others: Santorelli 2/1.
Game #39 ? TOR v BOS: Leafs 4-3 SO.  MotM: Kessel 5/1.  HM: Bernier 1/2.  Others: Kadri 0/2, Komarov 1/0, Holzer 0/1, Polak 0/1.
Game #40 ? TOR v MIN: Wild 3-1.  MotM: Bozak 3/0.  HM: Gardiner 1/2.  Others: Bernier 1/1, van Riemsdyk 0/1, Panik 0/1.
Game #41 ? TOR v WPG:

	MotM/Win	MotM/Loss	HonMen	Accolades	Times Voted	Points
Forwards
37 Carter Ashton	0	0	0	0	0	0
40 Troy Bodie	0	0	0	0	0	0
20 David Booth	0	0	0	0	0	0
42 Tyler Bozak	2	1	1	4	8	9
53 Sam Carrick	0	0	0	0	0	0
71 David Clarkson	0	0	3	3	13	3
39 Matt Frattin	0	0	0	0	0	0
24 Peter Holland	1	1	1	3	10	6
43 Nazem Kadri	1	0	6	7	17	9
67 Brandon Kozun	0	0	0	0	2	0
81 Phil Kessel	4	3	2	9	13	20
47 Leo Komarov	1	2	3	6	12	10
32 Josh Leivo	0	0	0	0	0	0
19 Joffrey Lupul	2	2	1	5	10	11
36 Greg McKegg	0	0	0	0	0	0
18 Richard Panik	1	1	1	3	6	6
25 Mike Santorelli	0	3	2	5	13	8
23 Trevor Smith	0	0	0	0	1	0
26 Daniel Winnik	1	0	0	1	4	3
21 James van Riemsdyk	1	0	3	4	10	6
Defensemen
4 Cody Franson	0	0	1	1	7	2
51 Jake Gardiner	0	0	2	3	8	4
55 Korbinian Holzer	0	0	1	1	4	2
50 Stuart Percy	0	1	1	2	3	5
3 Dion Phaneuf	0	1	0	1	4	3
46 Roman Polak	0	0	0	0	6	0
44 Morgan Rielly	0	0	0	0	5	0
12 Stephane Robidas	0	0	1	1	2	2
Goalkeepers
45 Jonathan Bernier	4	2	5	11	16	15.5
35 Christopher Gibson	0	0	0	0	0	0.0
34 James Reimer	3	2	3	8	12	12.0

 

[freer]

Santo
Reimer

 

[Boston Leaf]

santo
winnik

 

[pmrules]

santo
winnik

If I had to choose, these would probably be it.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Reimer
HM Santo

 

[Spider]

Santorelli HM Santorelli

Mention to Santorelli

 

[ZBBM]

I'll vote Santo & Winnik.

Game #41 ? TOR v WPG: "Leafs Suck" 5-1.  MotM: Santorelli 5/1.  HM: Winnik 0/3.  Others: Reimer 1/1.
Game #42 ? WSH v TOR:

	MotM/Win	MotM/Loss	HonMen	Accolades	Times Voted	Points
Forwards
37 Carter Ashton	0	0	0	0	0	0
40 Troy Bodie	0	0	0	0	0	0
20 David Booth	0	0	0	0	0	0
42 Tyler Bozak	2	1	1	4	8	9
53 Sam Carrick	0	0	0	0	0	0
71 David Clarkson	0	0	3	3	13	3
39 Matt Frattin	0	0	0	0	0	0
24 Peter Holland	1	1	1	3	10	6
43 Nazem Kadri	1	0	6	7	17	9
67 Brandon Kozun	0	0	0	0	2	0
81 Phil Kessel	4	3	2	9	13	20
47 Leo Komarov	1	2	3	6	12	10
32 Josh Leivo	0	0	0	0	0	0
19 Joffrey Lupul	2	2	1	5	10	11
36 Greg McKegg	0	0	0	0	0	0
18 Richard Panik	1	1	1	3	6	6
25 Mike Santorelli	0	4	2	6	14	10
23 Trevor Smith	0	0	0	0	1	0
26 Daniel Winnik	1	0	1	2	5	4
21 James van Riemsdyk	1	0	3	4	10	6
Defensemen
4 Cody Franson	0	0	1	1	7	2
51 Jake Gardiner	0	0	2	3	8	4
55 Korbinian Holzer	0	0	1	1	4	2
50 Stuart Percy	0	1	1	2	3	5
3 Dion Phaneuf	0	1	0	1	4	3
46 Roman Polak	0	0	0	0	6	0
44 Morgan Rielly	0	0	0	0	5	0
12 Stephane Robidas	0	0	1	1	2	2
Goalkeepers
45 Jonathan Bernier	4	2	5	11	16	15.5
35 Christopher Gibson	0	0	0	0	0	0.0
34 James Reimer	3	2	3	8	13	12.0

Santorelli slips ahead of Kessel & Clarkson in Times Voted (Kadri leads in this with Bernier 2nd).  Don't quite know what to make of that.

And Percy still leads all defensemen in Points.  I do know what to make of that....

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Santorelli slips ahead of Kessel & Clarkson in Times Voted (Kadri leads in this with Bernier 2nd).  Don't quite know what to make of that.

I think he's taken that 'Mike Brown' award Nik was talking about earlier this season.

 

[ZBBM]

Santorelli slips ahead of Kessel & Clarkson in Times Voted (Kadri leads in this with Bernier 2nd).  Don't quite know what to make of that.

I think he's taken that 'Mike Brown' award Nik was talking about earlier this season.

Not fair to Santo, he's miles better than Brown.  He scores, for example, hustles and hits just as much, and contributes most every game, not just winning accolades by default in losses like Mike.  In every category except Stache, Santorelli has been better.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Not fair to Santo, he's miles better than Brown.  He scores, for example, hustles and hits just as much, and contributes most every game, not just winning accolades by default in losses like Mike.  In every category except Stache, Santorelli has been better.

I'm as big of a Santo fan as anyone around here, I wasn't dissing him. He's obviously a much better player than Mike Brown. But I mean take the last game for example, Santorelli won the MOTM in a game where nobody was really deserving of it. And he's only won the MOTM in losses, so that probably says something too. He's just the type of player who posters feel good voting for when they can't really think of someone to vote for. Not a bad thing. Just explaining why he's so high up there.

 

[ZBBM]

Not fair to Santo, he's miles better than Brown.  He scores, for example, hustles and hits just as much, and contributes most every game, not just winning accolades by default in losses like Mike.  In every category except Stache, Santorelli has been better.

I'm as big of a Santo fan as anyone around here, I wasn't dissing him. He's obviously a much better player than Mike Brown. But I mean take the last game for example, Santorelli won the MOTM in a game where nobody was really deserving of it. And he's only won the MOTM in losses, so that probably says something too. He's just the type of player who posters feel good voting for when they can't really think of someone to vote for. Not a bad thing. Just explaining why he's so high up there.

No doubt that's at least partly true.  But speaking for myself anyway, I have voted for him several times in games when others could have gotten my vote too.

And just a word about "games where nobody deserves it."  My view of this thread is that in every game, Leafs players' performance differs, and can be ranked.  Even in games where "nobody is any good," some players play better than others.  That's why I argued against a "none deserving" vote when somebody suggested it a few seasons ago.  I think allowing something like that would be a mistake.  Then the thread just devolves into a lovefest, not an analysis (such as it admittedly is).  [Not that you were suggesting this, I just wanted to comment on it.]

 

[CarltonTheBear]

No doubt that's at least partly true.  But speaking for myself anyway, I have voted for him several times in games when others could have gotten my vote too.

And just a word about "games where nobody deserves it."  My view of this thread is that in every game, Leafs players' performance differs, and can be ranked.  Even in games where "nobody is any good," some players play better than others.  That's why I argued against a "none deserving" vote when somebody suggested it a few seasons ago.  I think allowing something like that would be a mistake.  Then the thread just devolves into a lovefest, not an analysis (such as it admittedly is).  [Not that you were suggesting this, I just wanted to comment on it.]

Just checked to see who won in those BUF/NAS blowout games, and of course Santo won them both with a total of 4 votes between both games. So again just showing that his totals are a little inflated because of that. Still a great player for the team.

And I agree that I wouldn't necessarily want a "nobody" vote for those games, it's nice to have a definite winner for every game. But when you're trying to analyse these totals I do think the "quality" of a MOTM win/vote should be somewhat considered.

 

[ZBBM]

No doubt that's at least partly true.  But speaking for myself anyway, I have voted for him several times in games when others could have gotten my vote too.

And just a word about "games where nobody deserves it."  My view of this thread is that in every game, Leafs players' performance differs, and can be ranked.  Even in games where "nobody is any good," some players play better than others.  That's why I argued against a "none deserving" vote when somebody suggested it a few seasons ago.  I think allowing something like that would be a mistake.  Then the thread just devolves into a lovefest, not an analysis (such as it admittedly is).  [Not that you were suggesting this, I just wanted to comment on it.]

Just checked to see who won in those BUF/NAS blowout games, and of course Santo won them both with a total of 4 votes between both games. So again just showing that his totals are a little inflated because of that. Still a great player for the team.

And I agree that I wouldn't necessarily want a "nobody" vote for those games, it's nice to have a definite winner for every game. But when you're trying to analyse these totals I do think the "quality" of a MOTM win/vote should be somewhat considered.

Agreed, and that's why a MotM in a loss is worth one less point.  Maybe it should be even less?  I'm always open to tweaking the system.  None of this is scientific obviously, but I do think anyone looking at the results at the end of the season ought to get a fair idea of who we fans thought were the best players of the campaign.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Agreed, and that's why a MotM in a loss is worth one less point.  Maybe it should be even less?  I'm always open to tweaking the system.  None of this is scientific obviously, but I do think anyone looking at the results at the end of the season ought to get a fair idea of who we fans thought were the best players of the campaign.

Nah, the system's fine. You can easily see where the points come from too anyway to see if a player got most of his from losses. No reason to make this all that complicated.