The Official Complaint Thread!
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LittleHockeyFan
Moderator
AvroArrow said:
I love you, I don't hate you. I'll never hate you.
Please do this! And have yourself cloned fifty times over.
love, all the sane drivers in Ontario (that's about fifty of us)
Bullfrog said:
Well, the alternative is a bunch of morons who think there are times when running a red light is justified.
Morons who cut out in front of you because they're too impatient to wait until after you, even though after you is a km or more of empty space.
Morons who clog intersections because they can't afford to wait until there's space on the other side.
Morons who change lanes without bothering to check for adequate space - and where adequate space does not mean 'the length of the person's car' - or bothering to wait until they're allowed in - yes, 'allowed'.
Morons who think they can go around buses and bikers by driving in the opposing lane, regardless of whether anyone is coming in that lane.
Morons who manage to cause pileups on major highways after every single snow storm. Maybe you should slow down and stop tailgating....
Morons who put on makeup, talk on phones, or do other stupid (distracting) crap when they're supposed to be driving.
Unfortunately, our society is too selfish and too impatient to expect the majority of people to follow the rules of the road for everyone's safety. So, there's not much choice but to force it upon them.
GhostofPotvin29
New member
AvroArrow said:
I think that stuff is still the vast minority of people and will still happen regardless of how long a testing period is. If people are willing to break the law, they'll break the law. They'll probably drive without a license too.
Bullfrog
Active member
TML fan said:
Or maybe it just sounds like something someone who thinks it's unreasonable and not going to happen would say?
I'm 100% confident I would pass. While I'm not perfect and probably wouldn't get a perfect score (though I did get a perfect score on my M1 road test, woohoo!), I'm generally a defensive driver and am aware of my surroundings, road conditions, etc. I don't rush, even when I'm late. I stop at ambers, unless I know I'm going to get plowed from behind. I use turn signals to indicate what I'm going to do, not what I've already done. I drive on the right, pass on the left. I don't text, eat burgers, or drink while driving (OK, I do have a drink once in a while, but only at stop lights). I occasionally break the speed limit, but only reasonably so. I drive 45 km/hr or less in residential zones because I know I'll be able to react faster and that it'll only cost about 30 seconds in driving time.
When are people going to take these seven days of road tests? On the weekends? During their vacation time? What's going to be the cost of this test? For five days, I would imagine it'd be in the $800 range. These are the things that aren't reasonable, especially without any assurance these tests will make any difference.
If someone can apparently fake good driving skills (not entirely sure how that's possible) for a 30 minute road test, maybe they can fake it during a one week road test. Or, just maybe, it's not faking at all and rather simply a case of someone being on their best behavior to pass a test. Someone who knows the rules and can safely operate a vehicle, but just chooses not to when they're not being tested due to ignorance or impatience.
GhostofPotvin29
New member
Yeah, there's roughly 21 million licensed drivers in Canada. I can't even imagine expecting that many people to do a 5-7 day testing process every few years, especially involving something that the vast majority rely on for their livelihoods.
bustaheims
Active member
Yeah. More extensive testing would be great, but, anything that can't be completed in a single day is really not feasible.
Bullfrog
Active member
I'm all for occasional re-testing, but it has to be reasonable founded upon some empirical evidence that it's required. I'm confident the majority of people who speed unreasonably, cut people off, and blow through red lights are aware of what they're doing. Sure, some are just clueless idiots, but that probably makes a case for better quality control on testing then on whole-population retesting.
Corn Flake
New member
It is kind of crazy that you can get your license to drive a car and never have to pass any other kind of evaluation again until your 80's when suddenly it's required to check and see if you can still drive.
A retest say every 10 years until you are 60, and then every 5 years and down to every year or whatever it is after 80+ kind of makes sense.
If someone takes a re-test and fails, they can have 1 month to sort out their issues and can take it again. Fail twice, your license is suspended for some term.
Doesn't seem that crazy.
A retest say every 10 years until you are 60, and then every 5 years and down to every year or whatever it is after 80+ kind of makes sense.
If someone takes a re-test and fails, they can have 1 month to sort out their issues and can take it again. Fail twice, your license is suspended for some term.
Doesn't seem that crazy.
Bill_Berg
Active member
Plus people who run reds, eat while driving, text, tailgate in snow storms, speed, get stuck in intersections during rush hour etc... Probably won't do those things on tests. You might catch the odd guy that signals late, but what's the threshold for failing a test? One bad signal and you're out?
bustaheims
Active member
TML fan said:
Once you factor in all the costs for a system like this - and, let's not forget, we're dealing with government pay scales - there's not as much profit to be had here as you think.
Corn Flake
New member
Bill_Berg said:
For sure there's a million details you have to work out on that front. Demerit points could also dictate when someone gets sent for a re-test, so people getting caught doing all the things you suggest are forced to go get tested. Sure they can avoid those things in test but the mere thought of having to do it, plus the cost, will be a deterrent.