Trade Deadline

[bustaheims]

Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th

St Louis is basically a perennial top 10 scorer. That's what adding a guy like that costs. And, really, if the Rags make the Conference Finals, the pick they give up this year is, at best, 27th overall. Not exactly a pick that's likely to yield an elite talent.

 

[Zee]

Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th

St Louis is basically a perennial top 10 scorer. That's what adding a guy like that costs. And, really, if the Rags make the Conference Finals, the pick they give up this year is, at best, 27th overall. Not exactly a pick that's likely to yield an elite talent.

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

 

[bustaheims]

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

This isn't a rental situation, though. St Louis will still be a Ranger next season. A late 1st in a weaker draft (if they go deep in this year's playoffs) is really not a big price to pay, at all. The pick next year . . . well, with their goaltending and everything, that's also probably in the back half of the 1st round, which is also no big deal.

 

[L K]

Fasth is still not in Edmonton since his trade.  St. Louis is likely to play tonight for New York though.

 

[Kin]

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

St. Louis isn't a rental though. He's got a year left on his deal.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

This isn't a rental situation, though. St Louis will still be a Ranger next season. A late 1st in a weaker draft (if they go deep in this year's playoffs) is really not a big price to pay, at all. The pick next year . . . well, with their goaltending and everything, that's also probably in the back half of the 1st round, which is also no big deal.

Someone on twitter said it's like 2 rentals: a 1st for St. Louis this season and a 1st for St. Louis next season. 

 

[Zee]

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

St. Louis isn't a rental though. He's got a year left on his deal.

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

Guy's been a PPG or significantly more for 8 straight years.

 

[bustaheims]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

He's also shown absolutely no signs of slowing down. It's not like he's likely to just fall off a cliff next season. He's still going to be a significant contributor for them.

 

[Kin]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

Well, it matters in the sense that it's not really a "Stanley Cup Contender" kind of move. A first and a second, or a first and a first, for a top 15 scorer is a straight up hockey move.

 

[Zee]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

It won't push them from a bubble team to a contender no.  He's been on Tampa for years with Stamkos and they weren't a threat, who's to say he'll suddenly make the Rangers into an offensive powerhouse?  If the Rangers don't make the finals this year or next, this deal is stupid.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

It won't push them from a bubble team to a contender no.  He's been on Tampa for years with Stamkos and they weren't a threat, who's to say he'll suddenly make the Rangers into an offensive powerhouse?  If the Rangers don't make the finals this year or next, this deal is stupid.

But the Rangers have been a better team than Tampa, and without Stamkos most of the season St. Louis has been the main offensive weapon keeping Tampa high in the EC standings.

Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

edit: in fact, if St. Louis meshes well I might just consider them the favourites in the east.

 

[Zee]

Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

Remains to be seen, but it's a huge price to pay.  If it doesn't work the Rangers have made a really bad trade.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

Remains to be seen, but it's a huge price to pay.  If it doesn't work the Rangers have made a really bad trade.

I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

 

[Kin]

I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

I agree in general, both about the way 1st round picks are overvalued and that this isn't too big a price, but it being a 2015 first rounder is a little concerning. A 1st this year is, at worst, going to be a pick from 10-15 but next year it could be anything.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.

 

[Zee]

I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.

We're talking about the 2015 pick though, nobody knows if the Rangers will be a top 5 or bottom 5 team next year, anything can happen.  I personally don't think that St. Louis suddenly turns the Rangers from a bubble playoff team to a contender but we'll see.

 

[bustaheims]

We're talking about the 2015 pick though, nobody knows if the Rangers will be a top 5 or bottom 5 team next year, anything can happen.  I personally don't think that St. Louis suddenly turns the Rangers from a bubble playoff team to a contender but we'll see.

We can't say for sure, no, but, considering the talent on their roster, the likely worst case scenario for that pick is falling into the 12-18 range.