Trade Deadline

[Kaberle15]

DarrenDreger: As per @aaronward_nhl the Leafs have permission to speak with Kiprusoff. No trade in place, but process moves forward.#tradecentre

DamoSpin: Kiprussof deal between Flames and Leafs would likely be something like a third rounder that goes to a second if Leafs make playoffs.

In the unlikely instance that Cox is close to right, that's a manageable asset cost.

Not a terrible price... would be ideal if they ship in Komisarek with... so it could free up some cap space.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.

 

[Kaberle15]

I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.

Must be April's Fool...

 

[Fanatic]

I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.

I am perplexed by this as well. Is it fair to say that the Leafs think he would have better numbers on a (dare I say?) better team?

 

[Fanatic]

Jason Brough @jasonpht - Anytime you can get an aging goalie with an .873 save percentage and a big cap hit, that's a deal you have to make.

 

[Kaberle15]

‏@DownGoesBrown
The Leafs are about to lose a trade with the Calgary Flames. Nothing in this world makes sense anymore.

 

[Kin]

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.

 

[L K]

.873 SV% this year (worst starting goaltender SV% since the 2003 lockout at least). 
Nearly 6 million dollar cap hit next year.
Hasn't won a playoff series since the 2003-2004 post-lockout run.
Hasn't had a >.910 SV% in the postseason since 2007.

I'm just not seeing the appeal.

 

[L K]

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.

The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.

 

[Fanatic]

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.

Now I feel kinda dumb for not actually looking at his numbers. I was going by what guys like Mirtle and such have been saying. Your comment certainly seems more positive.

 

[BermudaBudsFan]

I think in this case, a trade for Kipper would be of little to no value.  That being the case, why not save the draft pick and stick with the goalies that brought ya?

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

I''m really hoping Kipper refuses to waive his NMC if it gets that far. I'd rather go with what we have.

 

[Kin]

The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.

Well, it's a big gap to overcome if we're talking about him having good numbers in total at the end of the year but if we consider his coming to Toronto a fresh start then all he has to do is, well, get it going.

And I'm not saying he definitely will, just that I doubt he just forgot how to play goal during the off-season. Let him adjust to a back-up role in Toronto behind a better team and...who knows?

 

[bustaheims]

The issue with goalies is that they sometimes go quickly - especially those that rely on their speed and reflexes rather than positioning to be successful. They become a fraction of a second slower, and that's often enough to be the difference between a save and a goal.

 

[L K]

The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.

Well, it's a big gap to overcome if we're talking about him having good numbers in total at the end of the year but if we consider his coming to Toronto a fresh start then all he has to do is, well, get it going.

And I'm not saying he definitely will, just that I doubt he just forgot how to play goal during the off-season. Let him adjust to a back-up role in Toronto behind a better team and...who knows?

I don't entirely disagree that he might regain his form, but it just seems like a lot of risk with little time to test it out.  They have 12 games left and only 3 back-to-backs.  Not a lot of time to see if he can regain his form and it would be at a point in the season where a key win or loss will get the Leafs stuck against a team like Boston/Pittsburgh vs. Carolina/Washington/Winnipeg/Montreal/Ottawa.

And the bottom line would be that it's a huge cap hit going forward regardless of how he performs.  It would leave the Leafs close to 50 million in payroll next year with Gunnarsson, Franson, Kostka/Fraser, Bozak, Kadri, Komarov/McLaren, and MacArthur to resign. 

Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.

 

[bustaheims]

Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.

They get 2 buyouts, but, it's more the potential to end up giving up assets for someone they just end up buying out.

 

[Boston Leaf]

tsn says a 3rd pick but if we make playoffs it becomes a second.. then we need to find a trade for Scrivens otherwise you lose him on waivers if they try to send him back. id walk away from this and almost all trades

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Another thought, perhaps Toronto are talking to his people, not about an extension, but for a guarantee that he will report if they get him.

If he does not retire in the summer, they could use a compliance buyout on him for next to no money given the actual dollar figure he gets next year.

I highly doubt the scenario above, but his six million cap hit as a backup next year is not great.

Sure you have Connolly and Komisarek's 8 million coming off the books, but you still have to use that money to give guys raises and try and add some other key pieces.

It just makes cap management next year that much tighter.

EDIT: In addition, technically they cannot extend Kipper till July so I don't really know where people are getting that idea from.

 

[Kin]

I don't entirely disagree that he might regain his form, but it just seems like a lot of risk with little time to test it out.  They have 12 games left and only 3 back-to-backs.  Not a lot of time to see if he can regain his form and it would be at a point in the season where a key win or loss will get the Leafs stuck against a team like Boston/Pittsburgh vs. Carolina/Washington/Winnipeg/Montreal/Ottawa.

Meh. It's, at worst, a second round pick. If you give him a couple games and he's terrible, you give Reimer the reins in the playoffs which was the plan anyways. At best, he plays well and he's a decent option. I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I don't really see a ton of risk involved.

And the bottom line would be that it's a huge cap hit going forward regardless of how he performs.  It would leave the Leafs close to 50 million in payroll next year with Gunnarsson, Franson, Kostka/Fraser, Bozak, Kadri, Komarov/McLaren, and MacArthur to resign. 

Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Leafs have two get out of jail free buyouts, right? So it doesn't really affect Komisarek's situation.

 

[Redleaf]

The issue with goalies is that they sometimes go quickly - especially those that rely on their speed and reflexes rather than positioning to be successful. They become a fraction of a second slower, and that's often enough to be the difference between a save and a goal.

That may be the case with Kiprusoff, but then again, Belfour was a year older when he joined the Leafs, so you ever know.