Trade Deadline

[brothert]

Goaltending is not going to make or break this playoff run. There are a lot of inexperienced playoff players on the team.  Go in with no expectations, enjoy it and grow for future years.  A veteran goalie might get us past the first round but we'll have lost some assets and have to pay to keep said veteran goalie and he'll probably be useless by the time we're ready to make a serious playoff run.

 

[nutman]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

 

[Highlander]

Agreed with the Nutman...no goalies and Joe can dish between Lupul and Kessel next year...if we make it to the playoffs I will be happy, if they win the first round ecstatic, 2nd round in Nirvana....but just make it to the playoffs please.

 

[drummond]

Goaltending is not going to make or break this playoff run. There are a lot of inexperienced playoff players on the team.  Go in with no expectations, enjoy it and grow for future years.  A veteran goalie might get us past the first round but we'll have lost some assets and have to pay to keep said veteran goalie and he'll probably be useless by the time we're ready to make a serious playoff run.

I fully agree with you. Enjoy the ride in the playoffs, collect some experience and go from there.

 

[Redleaf]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

Why people keep bringing it up is because a lack of playoff experience, especially among goaltenders, is not something you want to bet the house on when your playing do or die hockey games.  I can totally appreciate that some fans want to roll the dice and just see what happens. After all, just making it to the dance is a huge achievement, but if they have any plans on advancing a round or two, they will be contemplating bringing in another goaltender that has been down this road a time or two.

 

[Bullfrog]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

 

[princedpw]

Why people keep bringing it up is because a lack of playoff experience, especially among goaltenders, is not something you want to bet the house on when your playing do or die hockey games.  I can totally appreciate that some fans want to roll the dice and just see what happens. After all, just making it to the dance is a huge achievement, but if they have any plans on advancing a round or two, they will be contemplating bringing in another goaltender that has been down this road a time or two.

It just isn't obvious to me that "being a veteran" is one of the primary characteristics that predicts good play by a goalie in the playoffs.  Are there any stats that show that the number of playoff games played in the past is a better predicator of post-season success than, say, regular season save percentage from the given year?  If experience actually mattered, it should be very easy to prove it statistically.

Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Is it really the case that a team is worse off having an inexperienced-but-good-during-the-regular-season goalie (eg: Reimer) than an experienced-but-not-as-good-during-the-regular-season-goalie (eg: kipper with his .879 save percentage this year).  Is it really worth paying the talent cost and acquiring the cap burden to get a guy like that?  Until somebody shows me some clear evidence that inexperience in goalies makes a clear difference, I'm not going to give up those assets to trade for experience over demonstrated regular season skill.  Of course, if an opposing GM just gifts us a great goaltender with little future cap burden then I'd happily take him.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think Fleury has got worse the more he's played in the playoffs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

He obviously isn't, but Grabovski for Thornton (as the main parts), do you do it?

 

[Kin]

Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

 

[nutman]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D

 

[gilmourthegreat]

We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

He obviously isn't, but Grabovski for Thornton (as the main parts), do you do it?

In a heartbeat. I feel with Thornton and one more good defenceman we would be legit contenders.

Lupul-Thornton-Kessel

 

[Redleaf]

Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

Agreed. I think the ideal situation would be to have a veteran goalie with plenty of playoff experience that can challenge Reimer for the net or take over should Reimer run into confidence issues, poor play, or injuries during the playoffs. I don't think the Leafs can depend upon Scrivens to be that guy, at least not this year. Of course, if the price is too high, than it may be better to just go with what we have and hope for the best.

 

[Leaf 50]

I think they should stay the course and let the chips fall as they may ,gain the experience the run provides and tinker this summer.I think the team we see has played far beyond our early expectations and will continue to grow .Grow what we have started -those of us who have been around for the drought since 67have seen what happens when you sell the future for a piece of the present

 

[Bullfrog]

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D

Cool, I'll have to check them out some time.

 

[AvroArrow]

We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  :

 

[Bender]

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D

Cool, I'll have to check them out some time.

Aren't they still in St. John's?

 

[nutman]

We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  :

Kind of a joke to see what fans thought of getting Miller on our team instead of facing him all the time.

 

[Kin]

We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  :

Kind of a joke to see what fans thought of getting Miller on our team instead of facing him all the time.

So it was just a coincidence that this funny, funny joke was made in the midst of Reimer going through a stretch of allowing 18 goals in 5 starts.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

I cant't hink of too many goalies who'd realistically be the answer. Scrivens/Reimer have, generally speaking, put up good numbers.

Who's got "proven playoff numbers" (that's available realistically). J.S. Giguere, Kiprusoff, Khabibulin....can't think of anyone else......