Trading Franson and then resign?

[pmrules]

its rare when a player is traded at the deadline and then resigns with the team that traded him.  The last one I can remember doing it is Glen Welsey.  I don't think that guy wanted to be in Toronto in the first place.

Matt Moulson did it last year didn't he?  He was traded to Minny from Buffalo at the deadline, and then resigned with the Sabres as a UFA.

In all seriousness, its a nice way to accumulate assets - i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.  Given the severe mismanagement of assets this franchise has endured over the past decade, this would be ok in my books (esp if Franson is in your plans for the future).

 

[bustaheims]

In all seriousness, its a nice way to accumulate assets - i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.  Given the severe mismanagement of assets this franchise has endured over the past decade, this would be ok in my books (esp if Franson is in your plans for the future).

It's not really that surprising. Teams that are sellers are usually bad teams. When players have the choice of where they want to go, they generally prefer to go to good teams if the money and term are similar enough. Rebuilding teams also generally don't want to get bogged down with long-term, expensive deals for older players.

 

[Kin]

In all seriousness, its a nice way to accumulate assets - i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.  Given the severe mismanagement of assets this franchise has endured over the past decade, this would be ok in my books (esp if Franson is in your plans for the future).

I think you're maybe underestimating what it means for a player to be traded. Even if a team goes to a player like Franson and lays out their trade and re-sign plan they're still telling him that while they think he's valuable, they don't think he's so valuable that they wouldn't risk losing him for whatever he could return in a trade. At that point, I think it's pretty understandable for a player to wonder if that situation is really the best one for him.

 

[pmrules]

In all seriousness, its a nice way to accumulate assets - i'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.  Given the severe mismanagement of assets this franchise has endured over the past decade, this would be ok in my books (esp if Franson is in your plans for the future).

I think you're maybe underestimating what it means for a player to have an expiring contract. Even if a team goes to a player like Franson and lays out their trade and re-sign plan they're still telling him that while they think he's valuable, they don't think he's so valuable that they wouldn't risk losing him for whatever he could return in a trade. At that point, I think it's pretty understandable for a player to wonder if that situation is really the best one for him.

well obviously...there is risk on both sides...it all depends on how it is sold to the player?

Nonis:  Hey Franson we want to offer you $X by X years...we think you are an important part of our future.

Franson - Yes I like that deal.  I bleed blue and white.

Nonis - But as you know...this team sucks garbage.  We need more assets...how would you like to get a shot at a few playoff rounds while we get a few assets back in return for you.  This offer is waiting for you on July 1.  Hopefully by then we would have made the moves and drafted players where you find coming back here more palatable, and help you to succeed here when you return.  And obviously, we are taking a risk here as well since if you do well in the playoffs, its likely you will  get a better offer on July 1...all that we ask is give us a chance to match, just like we would ordinarily.  We value you...blah blah blah...

In all seriousness, if he's going to get "hurt" by that...he probably can't survive in a market like Toronto to begin with.  Its business.  I don't see Franson as one of those types.  Worse come worse, we got assets for the expiring contract regardless.

 

[Peter D.]

I am not opposed to keeping Franson at a reasonable price as long as we can move Phaneuf. That should be the biggest goal of the Leafs right now. If they could get Phaneuf's $7 million off the books, giving Franson a raise wouldn't be so hard to take. Rielly would simply take Phanuef place on number 1 pairing.

I've thought of this and this would be something I could live with.  I'd rather have one or the other, not both. 

The problem with that though is that Franson is one of the only chips the Leafs could play this year to get something pretty decent in return for the future (ie. a 1st round pick), and you don't want to bungle that up.  Especially by running the risk of him making it to free agency only for him to sign elsewhere.

 

[L K]

I think those trade and re-sign talks go better with players who are grizzled veterans near the end of their career when you sell them on a cup run and then a return to be close to home.  I'm not sure if Franson really falls into that category.  He's essentially the #1 defenseman UFA going into the offseason.  He's going to be looking at location and contract value.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Franson's career earnings so far haven't been great.  His upcoming contract is his chance to cash in.  He's going to the highest bidder on July 1, childhood dreams be damned.

 

[Kin]

In all seriousness, if he's going to get "hurt" by that...he probably can't survive in a market like Toronto to begin with.  Its business.  I don't see Franson as one of those types.  Worse come worse, we got assets for the expiring contract regardless.

I didn't say he'd get "hurt" I said he'd wonder about what was best for him. You know, like he were making a business decision too. You're expecting Dave Nonis to treat it like a business but Franson to make his decision because he "bleeds blue and white". What I'm saying is that if Nonis calls Franson in and says "We love you but this is a business" Franson, or anyone, is probably going to believe him.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So Friedman says that Franson turned down a multi-year offer with a cap-hit of around $4.6mil. Wonder the Leafs plans would be to clear out cap space if he even would take a deal like that.

 

[ZBBM]

So Friedman says that Franson turned down a multi-year offer with a cap-hit of around $4.6mil. Wonder the Leafs plans would be to clear out cap space if he even would take a deal like that.

Polak, Gardiner, Rielly going forward and build from there.  Franson has to be shipped at the deadline for picks, not signed up for another long-term contract out of Nonis.

 

[Bullfrog]

So Friedman says that Franson turned down a multi-year offer with a cap-hit of around $4.6mil. Wonder the Leafs plans would be to clear out cap space if he even would take a deal like that.

The only way he's taking a deal for that amount if it's got a crazy term length. In which case, the Leafs should step up the trade talk frequency.

 

[Seymore Pucks]

So Friedman says that Franson turned down a multi-year offer with a cap-hit of around $4.6mil. Wonder the Leafs plans would be to clear out cap space if he even would take a deal like that.

The only way he's taking a deal for that amount if it's got a crazy term length. In which case, the Leafs should step up the trade talk frequency.

No body on this current roster is worth over 5 million at this stage but he is going to get paid regardless.

 

[Bullfrog]

JvR's on pace for his second straight 30 goal season; Kessel for his 7th straight. Not sure how you can say no one on this roster is worth over $5M.

 

[Highlander]

They are saying Franson for a 2nd rounder, I think we deserve a 1st for a huge offensive, defensivly responsible D man.  Seems like Cody could really help a team like the Penquins go for the cup. What do ya all think?

 

[princedpw]

They are saying Franson for a 2nd rounder, I think we deserve a 1st for a huge offensive, defensivly responsible D man.  Seems like Cody could really help a team like the Penquins go for the cup. What do ya all think?

It would be quite disappointing to only get a (high) 2nd-rounder for Franson.  Defensemen are typically in short supply.

 

[L K]

They are saying Franson for a 2nd rounder, I think we deserve a 1st for a huge offensive, defensivly responsible D man.  Seems like Cody could really help a team like the Penquins go for the cup. What do ya all think?

It would be quite disappointing to only get a (high) 2nd-rounder for Franson.  Defensemen are typically in short supply.

The thing is, you wouldn't even be getting a good 2nd rounder for Franson. He would be going to a team looking to win the Cup and would make most of those teams a lot better.  So really, you would be looking at a late 2nd round draft pick.  That's pretty piss poor return for a guy with 29 points on the year.

Andrew MacDonald went for a 2nd, 3rd and a prospect coming off 24 points in 63 games with the Islanders last year.

 

[KW Sluggo]

So Friedman says that Franson turned down a multi-year offer with a cap-hit of around $4.6mil. Wonder the Leafs plans would be to clear out cap space if he even would take a deal like that.

The only way he's taking a deal for that amount if it's got a crazy term length. In which case, the Leafs should step up the trade talk frequency.

No body on this current roster is worth over 5 million at this stage but he is going to get paid regardless.

Agreed.

Any idiot can lose like this for a lot less money than the current Leaf payroll.

The first step is to stop overpaying for players who do not make any difference between winning and losing.

In fact based on the last month, it is pretty much impossible to lose more games.

 

[Highlander]

They can always try to lose more this month. Lets make it 0-12

 

[Redleaf]

The Price for Franson?
According to Lance Hornby of the Toronto Sun, the Toronto Maple Leafs are looking for a second-round pick in exchange for defenceman Cody Franson.
Franson, who is set to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, has six goals and 23 assists in 49 games with the Leafs this season.
Franson will turn 27 this August

If the return for Franson is a late 2nd round pick, then I'd be tempted to keep him and try and trade Phaneuf instead.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That god Lance Hornby is like the 9th most reliable person in the unreliable Toronto media.