UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread

[bustaheims]

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

Sure, but, I think you'd agree that's less of a risk than giving up significant assets to pick up a guy who very well might end up in the same position. Brodeur comes at no talent cost, so, I mean, the risk is on the smaller side.

 

[ZBBM]

God, I hope not.

I don't see the risk with taking on Brodeur.  It takes the pressure off of Reimer & Scrivens to be a starter now, and will let the Leafs see if either are capable of taking the reigns in 1-2 years.

How are we going to find out if Reimer or Scrivens can be the starter if they don't start?  Brodeur is not going to want to play significantly fewer games than he has in the past.

Either get a long-term #1 like Luongo or else give Reimer another shot, backed up by Scrivens. 

Although I have to admit it would be an interesting scientific experiment to see how good Marty is in front of a firewagon defense. 

 

[Screwball]

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

Sure, but I'd take that over going all in on Luongo for the same money per season for a decade.

 

[bustaheims]

How are we going to find out if Reimer or Scrivens can be the starter if they don't start?  Brodeur is not going to want to play significantly fewer games than he has in the past.

Brodeur isn't stupid. He's only played ~55 games in each of the last couple seasons (partly due to injury) and he knows no team is going to lean on a guy who's a year or two from retirement for more than 60 starts a season.

 

[Screwball]

How are we going to find out if Reimer or Scrivens can be the starter if they don't start?  Brodeur is not going to want to play significantly fewer games than he has in the past.

Either get a long-term #1 like Luongo or else give Reimer another shot, backed up by Scrivens. 

Although I have to admit it would be an interesting scientific experiment to see how good Marty is in front of a firewagon defense.

I do find your statement abit ironic re: having Reimer & Scrivens start.  You said you're comfortable with a #1 like Luongo yet he was pushed aside by Schneider.

If Reimer or Scrivens are a #1 they will push aside Brodeur for playing time - and allow them to prosper without all the pressure in the world on them.  If not, at least Brodeur could give some stability and allow the Leafs to figure out a different long term plan.

 

[L K]

I don't see the risk with taking on Brodeur.  It takes the pressure off of Reimer & Scrivens to be a starter now, and will let the Leafs see if either are capable of taking the reigns in 1-2 years.

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

I think it is definitely worth mentioning that he has had a .903 and .908 SV% the past two years.

 

[moon111]

I don't see the risk with taking on Brodeur.  It takes the pressure off of Reimer & Scrivens to be a starter now, and will let the Leafs see if either are capable of taking the reigns in 1-2 years.

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

That could be said for any goalie available.  It's going to be a gamble one way or another. 

 

[ZBBM]

How are we going to find out if Reimer or Scrivens can be the starter if they don't start?  Brodeur is not going to want to play significantly fewer games than he has in the past.

Brodeur isn't stupid. He's only played ~55 games in each of the last couple seasons (partly due to injury) and he knows no team is going to lean on a guy who's a year or two from retirement for more than 60 starts a season.

But he's still going to want to play north of 50.  Assuming he's healthy the whole year, that still means Reimer will never get a long string of starts, which I think you need to evaluate whether he's the future.

 

[ZBBM]

How are we going to find out if Reimer or Scrivens can be the starter if they don't start?  Brodeur is not going to want to play significantly fewer games than he has in the past.

Either get a long-term #1 like Luongo or else give Reimer another shot, backed up by Scrivens. 

Although I have to admit it would be an interesting scientific experiment to see how good Marty is in front of a firewagon defense.

I do find your statement abit ironic re: having Reimer & Scrivens start.  You said you're comfortable with a #1 like Luongo yet he was pushed aside by Schneider.

If Reimer or Scrivens are a #1 they will push aside Brodeur for playing time - and allow them to prosper without all the pressure in the world on them.  If not, at least Brodeur could give some stability and allow the Leafs to figure out a different long term plan.

And Brodeur will push back.  I thought he'd pack it in, but since he is not, I am pretty sure he's not looking to sign somewhere else just to be mentor.

 

[bustaheims]

But he's still going to want to play north of 50.  Assuming he's healthy the whole year, that still means Reimer will never get a long string of starts, which I think you need to evaluate whether he's the future.

Maybe not, but, there's a good chance he'll start the equivalent of 1 of every 3 games, so, it's not like the team will have no idea whether he's rebounded or not. It's not ideal, but, really, there isn't anything available that is ideal. Brodeur is probably the best of an uninspiring bunch.

 

[lamajama]

I don't see the risk with taking on Brodeur.  It takes the pressure off of Reimer & Scrivens to be a starter now, and will let the Leafs see if either are capable of taking the reigns in 1-2 years.

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

You mean like Eddie..... :'(

 

[ZBBM]

But he's still going to want to play north of 50.  Assuming he's healthy the whole year, that still means Reimer will never get a long string of starts, which I think you need to evaluate whether he's the future.

Maybe not, but, there's a good chance he'll start the equivalent of 1 of every 3 games, so, it's not like the team will have no idea whether he's rebounded or not. It's not ideal, but, really, there isn't anything available that is ideal. Brodeur is probably the best of an uninspiring bunch.

I take it you wouldn't want Luongo under any circumstances?  (Mind you, I've said I want him ONLY if we get him for nothing, or better yet, force a contract back on Gillis.)

EDIT: And do you think having Brodeur would get us into the playoffs next year?

 

[bustaheims]

I take it you wouldn't want Luongo under any circumstances?  (Mind you, I've said I want him ONLY if we get him for nothing, or better yet, force a contract back on Gillis.)

EDIT: And do you think having Brodeur would get us into the playoffs next year?

I'd take Luongo for cheap, but, only for cheap. The problem is, I don't think Gillis is going to get to that point any time soon.

And, yeah, I think with Carlyle's defensive system and Brodeur's ability, the Leafs would have a good shot that the playoffs next season.

 

[ZBBM]

I take it you wouldn't want Luongo under any circumstances?  (Mind you, I've said I want him ONLY if we get him for nothing, or better yet, force a contract back on Gillis.)

EDIT: And do you think having Brodeur would get us into the playoffs next year?

I'd take Luongo for cheap, but, only for cheap. The problem is, I don't think Gillis is going to get to that point any time soon.

And, yeah, I think with Carlyle's defensive system and Brodeur's ability, the Leafs would have a good shot that the playoffs next season.

Fair enough re Luongo, you might be right about Gillis.

If we had a stronger lineup I'd be more hepped about getting Brodeur for a year or two.  But even if he got us into the playoffs, I wouldn't see us pulling a LAK and making a real run.  So the best-case scenario would be that he helps get the young roster some playoff experience.  Which is not insignificant, but I don't think it's a convincing reason to try to sign him.

 

[bustaheims]

Some controversy brewing - the Avs announced on their official Twitter feed that they've sign Carkner, but . . .

TSNBobMcKenzie: Matt Carkner's agent Larry Kelly says "there is no agreement in place with Colorado." Kelly awaiting decision from Carkner. Avs announced it

 

[Kin]

Well, the risk is that you sign Brodeur to a relatively big money 2 year deal and he doesn't provide #1 quality goaltending at all.

Sure, but, I think you'd agree that's less of a risk than giving up significant assets to pick up a guy who very well might end up in the same position. Brodeur comes at no talent cost, so, I mean, the risk is on the smaller side.

You mean Luongo? Remember, I'm the guy who wouldn't take Luongo for free. My only point there is that Brodeur isn't risk-free.

 

[Kin]

That could be said for any goalie available.  It's going to be a gamble one way or another.

You could say it for any goalie, sure, but it takes on a bit more punch when the goalie is 39 years old and hasn't really played that well the last two years.

 

[bustaheims]

You mean Luongo? Remember, I'm the guy who wouldn't take Luongo for free. My only point there is that Brodeur isn't risk-free.

Well, sure, but no one is risk free. I guess I'm just saying the level of risk with Brodeur falls within what I'd consider to be the acceptable limits.

And, no, I didn't just mean Luongo. I was also referring to Bernier and some of the other names that have been rumoured to be out there. Luongo's actually probably the safest bet in terms of performance (at least, in the short-term).

 

[Kin]

Well, sure, but no one is risk free. I guess I'm just saying the level of risk with Brodeur falls within what I'd consider to be the acceptable limits.

But as I said above, there's a very specific risk involved with giving a player of Brodeur's age a multi-year deal with a big cap hit.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Would a 4.5-5 million Semin fit well on a line with Grabo and Kooly?

Lupul  - JVR    - Kessel
Semin - Grabo  - Kooly

Takes the top six to another level for me, it'll never happen of course.