We need Cory Schneider
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Bullfrog said:
Are you insane!!!! Lupul and Gardner plus for a Goalie. Lupul is on our top line and with Kessel one of the best one two punches in the NHL, he wont be going anywhere. as for Gardner, he is a found gem and you dont deal them, so as I see it both will be here for a long time. putting eather in a trade rumour is a waiste of time.
Bullfrog
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I wouldn't call it a waste of time, if only because of your reaction.
But yes, I figure that would be a starting point for a conversation for trading for one of the best goalies of the last decade:
- a young, promising, and potential top pairing defenseman
- a top-line scorer who's had one excellent season and a bunch of good ones.
But yes, I figure that would be a starting point for a conversation for trading for one of the best goalies of the last decade:
- a young, promising, and potential top pairing defenseman
- a top-line scorer who's had one excellent season and a bunch of good ones.
Corn Flake
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I don't see Vancouver moving him at all. Given how Luongo is doing his thing again in the playoffs, how can they possibly be considered contenders if they don't have a guy to fill in when Bobby Lou goes crazy?
There are whispers that Luongo wants to move back east for family reasons.. I think his wife and kids still live in Florida. They may try their hand at that strategy first before moving Schneider.
There are whispers that Luongo wants to move back east for family reasons.. I think his wife and kids still live in Florida. They may try their hand at that strategy first before moving Schneider.
louisstamos
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Corn Flake said:
I could actually see Luongo to Tampa Bay happening in the off-season (depending on VanCity's asking price...)
Corn Flake
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louisstamos said:
Hmmm, that is an interesting possibleye'ity.
Luongo can control the destination so that could very well work out. Panthers could work as well. Theodore was good for them but they can't see him as a long-term solution. He has a NTC as well but only has one more year.
Kin
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Corn Flake said:
I wouldn't rule it out as the Panthers could trade some pieces but considering the financial situation the Panthers are in it strikes me as a longshot that they add a contract like that.
Although, with that said, I'm not sure I'd look at Luongo's record in the playoffs as being particularly negative.
LittleHockeyFan
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Luongo to Toronto?
Just Say No!
Just Say No!
LittleHockeyFan said:
Why?
LuncheonMeat
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CarltonTheBear said:
You were supposed to say no.
In my opinion, he'd be the best goalie this team has seen in a long, long time. And his cost in terms of assets could be very affordable.
bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:
To me, this is the real issue. If he really can be acquired at a reasonable cost, the team would be stupid not to do it, but, only if he's available at a reasonable cost.
LuncheonMeat
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bustaheims said:
To throw a new wrinkle into the mix. I mentioned this in the goaltending conundrum thread. I don't know this changes, if anything, but what if Schneider decides Vancouver isn't the place for him. Maybe he wants to be closer to the East Coast where his family is.
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but Elliotte Friedman made an intersting point today in his article:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/04/luongo-trade-talk-30-thoughts.html
3. There were some reports the Canucks can block a potential offer sheet for Schneider by offering him arbitration just after the Stanley Cup final (Nashville did this last season with Shea Weber). Don't believe that is true. Because Schneider earned less than $1.5 million, no action can be taken before July 5. If he and the team cannot get something signed beforehand, he will be exposed for a few days.
CarltonTheBear said:
So 3 reasons why I am hesitant to trade for Luongo.
1. Is he mentally broken? Vancouver has done a number on his mentality and Toronto is just as bad if not worse. Is he a shell of his former self?
2. That contract is LONG. We'd be tied to it for 10 more years. Yes the last few years are low $$ amounts, but it is still very long. If #1 turns out to be true, we are looking at Komisarek version 2.0 as far as contracts are concerned. At that point, what do you do with him? You don't want to bury him in the AHL because we want our young goalies to develop there.
3. He's old at 33. He's no spring chicken any longer. Granted Belfour played till he was like 37 or something so it's not out of the question we get a guy who will give us 4 more years or so, but then it comes back to point #2. We'd still have him for 6 more years! And we have to look at Giggy as an example of where it didn't work and how a former #1 got ousted by a younger goalie.
I see him as possibility a hit or miss gamble. Short term, a change of scenery may be good for him, but can he continue to be dominant in the league at 33? Are we going to be duped into a terrible contract ala Scott Gomez? If the trade ever happened, it would definitely have to be a low prospect or someone of lesser importance for it to go over well.
bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:To throw a new wrinkle into the mix. I mentioned this in the goaltending conundrum thread. I don't know this changes, if anything, but what if Schneider decides Vancouver isn't the place for him. Maybe he wants to be closer to the East Coast where his family is.
Well, yeah, there's that, too. I don't think Vancouver does anything with Luongo until they get Schneider inked to a multi-year deal. If he signs a 1 year offer sheet with anyone, there's a huge risk of him leaving as a UFA next summer if they match. It wouldn't surprise me if nothing happens with either goalie until later in the summer, or if Schneider is moved leading up to the draft because the Canucks know he's planning on moving on in the summer of 2013.
LittleHockeyFan
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I didn't like a combination of factors: long term contract, with a complicated NTC. He chokes playoffs. He's mid 30s already and that long term contract just gives me the willies.
It gives me the willies a bit too LHF, best I can say is that he doesn't have a NMC so he could be demoted if needs be and the Leafs would only be on the hook for cash.
For me it's boiling down to acquisition cost and to a lesser degree, cap space.
I doubt he wants to come here anyways, fwiw.
For me it's boiling down to acquisition cost and to a lesser degree, cap space.
I doubt he wants to come here anyways, fwiw.
jonlleafs said:
Belfour played until he was like 42.
In fact, a lot of very good goalies play into their 40's or thereabouts. Look at Tim Thomas, Nik Khabibulan, Dwayne Roloson and Martin Broduer currently playing. All 4 are approaching 40.
Over the years there's been Curtis Joseph, Dominik Hasek, Tom Barasso, Ed Belfour, etc. who were all good into their 40's. Patrick Roy, while retired at 37, would have still been good had he chosen to play.
You can go all the way back to guys like Glen Hall, Johnny Bower, Terry Sawchuk, etc.
All I'm saying it is NOT out of the realm of possibility that Luongo is still a "good goalie" in 6-7 years time. How good? THAT is the question and concern. And will he be $5.3M good? Probably not but if he was I wouldn't be entirely shocked either.
bustaheims
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Erndog said:
Only 1 of these guys was good into his 40s, and some would argue he's the best to ever play the position (he's certainly up there). The rest, like the majority of goalies, fell off fairly significantly at around 37/38.