We need Cory Schneider

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Didn't Nonis spend 6 years as Senior Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations under Burke during the Canucks mediocre goaltending? Isn't that the same position he has now with the Leafs?

Yes.

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

 

[ZBBM]

Wait a minute.  Aside from the fact the Gustavsson is seeming to find his game, and that Reimer is far too young to be dumped overboard, we have Rynnas who seems like he has a real future.  Not to mentions Scrivens and MarkyParky.

This discussion is at least 1 year too early.  If it looks like we are approaching contender status at some point, then perhaps you look for a proven vet in goal either as starter or mentor.  We are miles from being a contender so I'd let the promising group we have in net continue to develop.

 

[bustaheims]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Didn't Nonis spend 6 years as Senior Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations under Burke during the Canucks mediocre goaltending? Isn't that the same position he has now with the Leafs?

Yes.

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

It's common knowledge Nonis does his fair share of the lifting in his role here - Burke has said as much before, and as recently as a few days ago on Twitter he commented on how Nonis is constantly in contact with other teams.  Nonis brought a good goaltender to Vancouver, so there is no reason to discount his input on deals here just because he didn't bring one in while he was under Burke in Vancouver.

Also, Burke brought Hiller in to Anaheim.  People aren't sold on him due to injuries, which is out of anybody's control, but he's consistently had around a .920 SV% (except the disaster that is this year's Ducks) and his one playoff appearance was aroun .940 SV%.

 

[Bullfrog]

I think it's a good idea. I feel confident that Schneider will be a very good starter in this league. However, Reimer is still two years younger than Schneider so I think it'd definitely be too early to give up on him.

 

[Tigger]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

In the same season he drafted Cory but, y'know. Pretty savvy for a young gm.

 

[dappleganger]

I think both Gus and Reimer have shown some ability as a number one so I would stick with them.

It isn't like we are a goalie away from the stanley cup.

We have a lot of depth, maybe someone will grab the mantle.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

In the same season he drafted Cory but, y'know. Pretty savvy for a young gm.

Again, if Nonis was the GM here and not Burke I would share your confidence in getting a goalie of some substance. Neither Luongo or Schneider have been added to the Canucks while Nonis was holding the title he is holding now.

 

[Tigger]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

In the same season he drafted Cory but, y'know. Pretty savvy for a young gm.

Again, if Nonis was the GM here and not Burke I would share your confidence in getting a goalie of some substance. Neither Luongo or Schneider have been added to the Canucks while Nonis was holding the title he is holding now.

Hang your hat how you like, it means nothing to me.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

In the same season he drafted Cory but, y'know. Pretty savvy for a young gm.

Again, if Nonis was the GM here and not Burke I would share your confidence in getting a goalie of some substance. Neither Luongo or Schneider have been added to the Canucks while Nonis was holding the title he is holding now.

Hang your hat how you like, it means nothing to me.

Exactly, crickets.

 

[Bender]

Then your point is moot. He did nothing during that span under Burke to warrant confidence of his input now. You can speculate all you want and deflect my points and sweep em under the rag but you refuse to look at facts and past performances.

Nonis is also the guy who, basically, stole Luongo while he was GM of those same Canucks.

In the same season he drafted Cory but, y'know. Pretty savvy for a young gm.

Again, if Nonis was the GM here and not Burke I would share your confidence in getting a goalie of some substance. Neither Luongo or Schneider have been added to the Canucks while Nonis was holding the title he is holding now.

So we have no idea what kind of emphasis Burke gives to Nonis, but we'll just go ahead and assume we do. And we'll overlook Allaire, Rynnas, Owuya and Scrivens. And ignore the fact that Hiller was Burke's doing.

Those crickets you spoke of earlier seem to be chirping very selectively. I'm not saying all of Burke's moves to date are defensible but you can't turn a blind eye to other achievements because we have a goaltending situation currently. He screwed up with Dan Cloutier and personally I'd rather give the GM of my team the benefit of the doubt to make some fixes.

I don't know how you can act like you've got the objective truth when your facts are narrow, skewed and distorted.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think it's a good idea. I feel confident that Schneider will be a very good starter in this league. However, Reimer is still two years younger than Schneider so I think it'd definitely be too early to give up on him.

Thank you. Pretty much sums up my feelings here. I'd make the deal for Schneider but not Halak. I still need convincing that Halak w/Reimer OR Goose is a better long term tandem solution than just Reimer AND Goose. 

Edit: I'll add that while I've said it before, my issue isn't entirely with Halak, it's with losing the assets to acquire him when they can be allocated elsewhere.

 

[Redleaf]

Big scoring forward is priority number one...

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2012/01/18/19262996.html

 

[Bender]

I think it's a good idea. I feel confident that Schneider will be a very good starter in this league. However, Reimer is still two years younger than Schneider so I think it'd definitely be too early to give up on him.

Thank you. Pretty much sums up my feelings here. I'd make the deal for Schneider but not Halak. I still need convincing that Halak w/Reimer OR Goose is a better long term tandem solution than just Reimer AND Goose. 

Edit: I'll add that while I've said it before, my issue isn't entirely with Halak, it's with losing the assets to acquire him when they can be allocated elsewhere.

I get your argument. But to disregard the fact that Schneider would cost a heck of a lot more than Halak is something to bear in mind.

 

[Champ Kind]

I think it's a good idea. I feel confident that Schneider will be a very good starter in this league. However, Reimer is still two years younger than Schneider so I think it'd definitely be too early to give up on him.

Thank you. Pretty much sums up my feelings here. I'd make the deal for Schneider but not Halak. I still need convincing that Halak w/Reimer OR Goose is a better long term tandem solution than just Reimer AND Goose. 

Edit: I'll add that while I've said it before, my issue isn't entirely with Halak, it's with losing the assets to acquire him when they can be allocated elsewhere.

I get your argument. But to disregard the fact that Schneider would cost a heck of a lot more than Halak is something to bear in mind.

Press forth with Reimer and / or Gustavsson and for the love of all that is good and holy sign a proven verteran to share the duties.  Imagine, for instance, the Leafs had signed Biron or Mike Smith.  This discussion wouldn't be happening.  The young goatending is great but a more seasoned keeper would go long to settling this debate.

 

[bustaheims]

Thought this was interesting, since the situation in St Louis came up earlier in the thread:

From Bobby Mac's twitter

TSNBobMcKenzie: For those who didn't see Insider Trading last night (for shame), STL goalie prospect Ben Bishop is headed toward unrestricted free agency.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Unless Bishop plays 17 NHL games (of 30+ minutes/game) this season, he qualifies as Group 6 unrestricted free agent July 1. Quality goalie.

TSNBobMcKenzie: STL won't give Bishop away but team could trade for him now, play him 17 games, take him out of Group 6 and he reverts to a Group 2 RFA.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Or just let Bishop go to UFA, make pitch in off-season. Interesting scenario. Bishop has .932 SPct in AHL with 6 SO. Most say he's NHL ready

 

[Redleaf]

Thought this was interesting, since the situation in St Louis came up earlier in the thread:

From Bobby Mac's twitter

TSNBobMcKenzie: For those who didn't see Insider Trading last night (for shame), STL goalie prospect Ben Bishop is headed toward unrestricted free agency.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Unless Bishop plays 17 NHL games (of 30+ minutes/game) this season, he qualifies as Group 6 unrestricted free agent July 1. Quality goalie.

TSNBobMcKenzie: STL won't give Bishop away but team could trade for him now, play him 17 games, take him out of Group 6 and he reverts to a Group 2 RFA.

TSNBobMcKenzie: Or just let Bishop go to UFA, make pitch in off-season. Interesting scenario. Bishop has .932 SPct in AHL with 6 SO. Most say he's NHL ready

Interesting prospect.

At 6' 7", Bishop is the tallest goalie to ever play in the NHL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bishop

 

[maplesyrup]

Clearly,  Eklund has been reading my posts in this thread ;D ;

"The Lightning and Maple Leafs are both very interested in Kings backup goalie Jonathan Bernier. My sources are almost all in agreement here and the common thread appears to be the Kings want a goalie in return along with a solid forward."

Which means of course, it aint happening.  :-\

 

[Zee]

Clearly,  Eklund has been reading my posts in this thread ;D ;

"The Lightning and Maple Leafs are both very interested in Kings backup goalie Jonathan Bernier. My sources are almost all in agreement here and the common thread appears to be the Kings want a goalie in return along with a solid forward."

Which means of course, it aint happening.  :-\

It's that time of the year when the Eklunds of the world throw as many names as possible like darts to a board and hope one sticks.  Legends will be made leading up to the trading deadline...

 

[Champ Kind]

Clearly,  Eklund has been reading my posts in this thread ;D ;

"The Lightning and Maple Leafs are both very interested in Kings backup goalie Jonathan Bernier. My sources are almost all in agreement here and the common thread appears to be the Kings want a goalie in return along with a solid forward."

Which means of course, it aint happening.  :-\

Please, Sarge, he can't touch you!  8)