Which Dman would you add in a trade?

[maplesyrup]

People are saying there is no way Komi's contract gets moved.
Depending on what the Leafs include: Kadri? Schenn? Potentially a 1st round pick (Burke has indicated he's not afraid to do that if he gets what he wants), then off-loading Komi's contract may not be so problematic, even the term is now reduced.
I wondering though if a guy like Ryan Suter might not be the target instead of a top six forward. Statistically, defence is still a bigger problem than offense as odd as that might seem.

Suter is by no means an insane suggestion... A while back I suggested that perhaps Nashville would consider Schenn (as part of a return) a decent replacement. I still think we need a power forward though.

 

[Kaberle15]

People are saying there is no way Komi's contract gets moved.
Depending on what the Leafs include: Kadri? Schenn? Potentially a 1st round pick (Burke has indicated he's not afraid to do that if he gets what he wants), then off-loading Komi's contract may not be so problematic, even the term is now reduced.
I wondering though if a guy like Ryan Suter might not be the target instead of a top six forward. Statistically, defence is still a bigger problem than offense as odd as that might seem.

Suter is by no means an insane suggestion... A while back I suggested that perhaps Nashville would consider Schenn (as part of a return) a decent replacement. I still think we need a power forward though.

The problem is that Schenn has 4 more seasons in his contract, while Suter is an UFA, so unless there is a way to talk to his agent to sign him I don't see Burke giving up on Schenn for a potential rental. Now, for Komisarek I would do it in less than a blink!

 

[maplesyrup]

People are saying there is no way Komi's contract gets moved.
Depending on what the Leafs include: Kadri? Schenn? Potentially a 1st round pick (Burke has indicated he's not afraid to do that if he gets what he wants), then off-loading Komi's contract may not be so problematic, even the term is now reduced.
I wondering though if a guy like Ryan Suter might not be the target instead of a top six forward. Statistically, defence is still a bigger problem than offense as odd as that might seem.

Suter is by no means an insane suggestion... A while back I suggested that perhaps Nashville would consider Schenn (as part of a return) a decent replacement. I still think we need a power forward though.

The problem is that Schenn has 4 more seasons in his contract, while Suter is an UFA, so unless there is a way to talk to his agent to sign him I don't see Burke giving up on Schenn for a potential rental. Now, for Komisarek I would do it in less than a blink!

Well that's the risk with UFAs, isn't it. Ruutu... Suter... any of them. Some hear made it clear they wouldn't make a deal for any impending UFA and I understand the conservative approach. 

 

[Tigger]

I'll take that kind of conservative over throwing players like Schenn away for no real reason. If another team wants to overpay for a mid range player like Ruutu, please, let them.

Fwiw there are some players that I'd be interested in that are ufa next year, like Suter and Parise however even then you have to be pretty damn sure you can sign them, not that getting either player is very likely.

 

[bustaheims]

Well that's the risk with UFAs, isn't it. Ruutu... Suter... any of them. Some hear made it clear they wouldn't make a deal for any impending UFA and I understand the conservative approach.

Well, it's not quite as cut and dry as that. It's about moving the right assets if the team is trading for an impending UFA - and, moving Schenn for an impending UFA is not moving the right assets.

 

[maplesyrup]

Like I said, I understand. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some aggression at this deadline as frankly, there isn't much there this year in unrestricted free agency beyond a couple guys that's all that thrilling in my mind, but, that's just me.

 

[bustaheims]

Like I said, I understand. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some aggression at this deadline as frankly, there isn't much there this year in unrestricted free agency beyond a couple guys that's all that thrilling in my mind, but, that's just me.

To me, that's all the more reason not to expend quality assets on impending UFAs - it's going to be that much more difficult to replace what you've moved to acquire them. Aggression is all well and good, but, if significant long-term assets are going to be moved out, it should only be for significant long-term assets in return.

 

[maplesyrup]

Like I said, I understand. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some aggression at this deadline as frankly, there isn't much there this year in unrestricted free agency beyond a couple guys that's all that thrilling in my mind, but, that's just me.

To me, that's all the more reason not to expend quality assets on impending UFAs - it's going to be that much more difficult to replace what you've moved to acquire them. Aggression is all well and good, but, if significant long-term assets are going to be moved out, it should only be for significant long-term assets in return.

Which, would be my hope... However, the odds of that happening as Carlton pointed out in the other thread aren't all that good as history suggests so yeah, maybe I'm inclined to re-think this a bit. 

 

[Tigger]

There's one ufa that I'd like the Leafs to get and just for his name, Clayton Stoner...

 

[bustaheims]

Which, would be my hope... However, the odds of that happening as Carlton pointed out in the other thread aren't all that good as history suggests so yeah, maybe I'm inclined to re-think this a bit.

That's pretty much all I've been saying. You don't move prominent assets for, really, the hope of being able to retain someone, because, as history shows, it often does not work out that way.

 

[maplesyrup]

I like Schenn... I'd be happy to keep him but do folks realize we're talking about a guy with a 3.6 mil cap hit who ranks 7th in TOI/G among Leaf defencemen?  Something has to give I think.

 

[bustaheims]

I like Schenn... I'd be happy to keep him but do folks realize we're talking about a guy with a 3.6 mil cap hit who ranks 7th in TOI/G among Leaf defencemen?  Something has to give I think.

We're also talking about a 22 year old who has, most likely, not approached his true potential ceiling yet. There's a reason he comes up in every rumour for a high profile player, and it's not because of his cap hit.

 

[maplesyrup]

I like Schenn... I'd be happy to keep him but do folks realize we're talking about a guy with a 3.6 mil cap hit who ranks 7th in TOI/G among Leaf defencemen?  Something has to give I think.

We're also talking about a 22 year old who has, most likely, not approached his true potential ceiling yet. There's a reason he comes up in every rumour for a high profile player, and it's not because of his cap hit.

Like I said I like him, I really do but, I never imagined him getting that deal only to be sitting 7th in TOI. I'm not seeing much value here in year one of this deal.   

 

[bustaheims]

Like I said I like him, I really do but, I never imagined him getting that deal only to be sitting 7th in TOI. I'm not seeing much value here in year one of this deal. 

Sure, but, at the same time, let's not overlook the fact that it is only year one of this deal.

 

[maplesyrup]

Like I said I like him, I really do but, I never imagined him getting that deal only to be sitting 7th in TOI. I'm not seeing much value here in year one of this deal. 

Sure, but, at the same time, let's not overlook the fact that it is only year one of this deal.

I'm not... at the same time though, I think it's fair to say with another year under his belt that this whole "next Adam Foote" thing might have been rather premature too. I still think he can be a good defenceman but I don's see a star here.... I'm still hoping Komisarek is the guy who ultimately gets moved but, I don't think anyone sees this happening either.   

 

[Tigger]

It's pretty much a 4 way tie for 5th in those terms to me Sarge and his pk time has been cut almost completely in the recent past. The emergence of Gardiner has probably had some impact there, as well as the integration of Franson.

Something has to give eventually there but it's interesting to see 8 dmen getting the toi they are with Holzer and Blacker waiting in the wings.

 

[maplesyrup]

I heard a bunch of people raving about Holzer.

 

[Zee]

I heard a bunch of people raving about Holzer.

Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about Holzer but I'll believe it when I see him do it at the NHL level.  Lots of guys look great in the AHL.

 

[Tigger]

I heard a bunch of people raving about Holzer.

Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about Holzer but I'll believe it when I see him do it at the NHL level.  Lots of guys look great in the AHL.

That's fair and it's only speculation that the Leafs are trying to find a trade to get him up after all, nothing concrete.

I have some pretty high hopes for Blacker though, I think he's the real deal.

 

[Zee]

I heard a bunch of people raving about Holzer.

Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about Holzer but I'll believe it when I see him do it at the NHL level.  Lots of guys look great in the AHL.

That's fair and it's only speculation that the Leafs are trying to find a trade to get him up after all, nothing concrete.

I have some pretty high hopes for Blacker though, I think he's the real deal.

Oh for sure. When you have more than 1 guy that's a promising prospect you hope that at least 1 of them pans out.