2013 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[Derk]

Yeah, just started following this online. He hasn't performed too well in his last three appearances (errors aside). Three runs in the 7th (2 charged to Morrow), a blown save and a 5-5 tie, 5 hits apiece.

 

[Derk]

5-5 after 9 innings. Oliver gave up a lead off single that got all the way to 3rd.

As of right now, it looks like Arencibia and Rasmus are tied for 2nd most Ks in the majors at 32. Chris Carter of Houston leads the way at 34.

Edit: Baltimore gets the leadoff guy on, they bunt him over. Jays get the leadoff guy on and they free swing (unless I missed a bunt attempt or two by looking on Yahoo).

Edit 2: WOW, thrown out at the plate after an error by Bautista to extend the inning.

 

[Corn Flake]

Wow.. Orioles loaded the bases and just walked in the go-ahead run on a 4 pitch at bat to Izturis.

 

[Deebo]

Wow.. Orioles loaded the bases and just walked in the go-ahead run on a 4 pitch at bat to Izturis.

Which turns out to be the winning run.

 

[Peter D.]

So good to be on the other side of a 1-run game against the Orioles. 

Hopefully this gives them a little boost here heading into New York and they finally start to take flight.

 

[Derk]

It was tight there for a bit, but glad to see they pulled one out!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Umps call guy out at first, then huddle for a bit after, then call him safe.

Jays can't get ANYTHING this season.

EDIT: I can't, can anyone else remember umps ever doing that?

 

[Peter D.]

Johnson has biceps tightness and will miss tonight's start.  Laffey taking his spot in the rotation.

 

[Corn Flake]

Ugh.

 

[Corn Flake]

Umps call guy out at first, then huddle for a bit after, then call him safe.

Jays can't get ANYTHING this season.

EDIT: I can't, can anyone else remember umps ever doing that?

That was completely ridiculous.  I've never seen that before ever. I didn't even know it was possible for umps to overrule like that.  Of course it happens to the Jays at Yankee stadium.  I mean come on.  Wonder if Yankee sercurity had a say?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

So who in December thought the Toronto team that everybody would be excited about at the end of April would be the Leafs?

 

[bustaheims]

EDIT: I can't, can anyone else remember umps ever doing that?

I've seen them do it for fair/foul calls and sometimes to see if a ball was trapped instead of caught, but I've never seen it happen for an out call at 1B.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

EDIT: I can't, can anyone else remember umps ever doing that?

I've seen them do it for fair/foul calls and sometimes to see if a ball was trapped instead of caught, but I've never seen it happen for an out call at 1B.

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

 

[bustaheims]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

I didn't see the play, so I can't comment with any authority, but, yeah, unless one of the other umps had a clear view that the 1B didn't have control of the ball or wasn't on the base when the runner touched the bag, their input is pretty much useless (unless there's some other, random rule coming into play here - which, in baseball, happens sometimes).

 

[Kin]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

The problem with that though is that Umps can't overrule other Umps unless in cases where two Umps make two different calls. An Ump can ask for help from other Umps, but in the case of Joyce's call in Galarraga's perfect game he thought he made the right call and didn't ask for help. Clearly in this case the Ump didn't think he had it and conferred with everyone else.

 

[Corn Flake]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

I didn't see the play, so I can't comment with any authority, but, yeah, unless one of the other umps had a clear view that the 1B didn't have control of the ball or wasn't on the base when the runner touched the bag, their input is pretty much useless (unless there's some other, random rule coming into play here - which, in baseball, happens sometimes).

I think the initial call on the play was wrong, but there couldn't have been another ump on the field with a better view than the 1B umpire.  On very close view on replay you can see the ball was not under control by EE... but how the 2B ump could see that, let alone can go and overturn the 1B ump is beyond me and completely stupid. 

MLB really needs to start moving away from so much being judgement call of umpires in a game, and/or allow instant replay.  It's getting completely ridiculous.

 

[Corn Flake]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

The problem with that though is that Umps can't overrule other Umps unless in cases where two Umps make two different calls. An Ump can ask for help from other Umps, but in the case of Joyce's call in Galarraga's perfect game he thought he made the right call and didn't ask for help. Clearly in this case the Ump didn't think he had it and conferred with everyone else.

That ump last night sure looked confident in calling it out when he did.  There was a delay but then he did a super-punch out.

 

[TML fan]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

The problem with that though is that Umps can't overrule other Umps unless in cases where two Umps make two different calls. An Ump can ask for help from other Umps, but in the case of Joyce's call in Galarraga's perfect game he thought he made the right call and didn't ask for help. Clearly in this case the Ump didn't think he had it and conferred with everyone else.

Where's the logic in conferring with people who were in a worse position to make the call than he was?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The best comment I read about it was - the umps didn't get together and overturn that obvious out in that perfect game (Detroit I think?), but the 2nd base ump thought that he saw it better from farther away and a worse angle than the 1st base ump?

Ultimately didn't have a bearing on the game, but come on.

I didn't see the play, so I can't comment with any authority, but, yeah, unless one of the other umps had a clear view that the 1B didn't have control of the ball or wasn't on the base when the runner touched the bag, their input is pretty much useless (unless there's some other, random rule coming into play here - which, in baseball, happens sometimes).

I think the initial call on the play was wrong, but there couldn't have been another ump on the field with a better view than the 1B umpire.  On very close view on replay you can see the ball was not under control by EE... but how the 2B ump could see that, let alone can go and overturn the 1B ump is beyond me and completely stupid. 

MLB really needs to start moving away from so much being judgement call of umpires in a game, and/or allow instant replay.  It's getting completely ridiculous.

Shi Davidi tweeted a MLB rule that no ump can overturn a call from another ump unless that ump asks for help.  I don't know if it makes a difference if it was the crew chief, or if the first base ump asked for help, but didn't sound like it.

Also, I thought Encarnacion kept control of the ball the whole time.

 

[Kin]

Where's the logic in conferring with people who were in a worse position to make the call than he was?

Well, the logic is, I suppose, that making the right call isn't necessarily about position. If an Ump, say, has dirt in his eye or something he might not have a great handle on a play whereas another might.