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2014/15 Roster moves thread

Highlander said:
I never said play Frattin more than Conner Brown. Obviously the Leaf brass traded D'Amigo to get him and felt he had something left in the tank. He sure won't find in on the bench. That is all I am saying, give him the chance to play 20 games. If it doesnt pan out then toast him.
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What are those 20 games going to show that the rest of his career hasn't? Outside of a 2 week stretch where he was paired with a red hot Kadri, he's shown little to nothing that says he's going to be anything more than a marginal NHLer.
 
The way Kadri has been playing why don't we move Holland onto line two for a game or two. This will fire up Kadri and give Frattin a few shifts with his old bud and see if any chemistry remains. The last Leaf I loved was Kaberle but I knew he had to go, don't want Frattin in that place until he has one last chance. The old advice don't grow to attached to a player is the same advice I got for the stock market. Don't love a stock.
 
Highlander said:
The way Kadri has been playing why don't we move Holland onto line two for a game or two. This will fire up Kadri and give Frattin a few shifts with his old bud and see if any chemistry remains. The last Leaf I loved was Kaberle but I knew he had to go, don't want Frattin in that place until he has one last chance. The old advice don't grow to attached to a player is the same advice I got for the stock market. Don't love a stock.
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For the first time in a long time, I am happy with the way Kadri is playing. I honestly think they should just end the Frattin experiment. Please keep Leivo.
 
Leivo playing great, can't argue with that, Kadri a little better than before but I really feel that Kadri has the kind of talent to "control" things a little better. He is making the effort so it will probably come and hopefully soon.
 
In more roster moves, I wish JVR would keep his green mouthpiece on his teeth instead of chewing on it like a dummy.  Don't know why it bothers me but it does.  I am even seeing other players imitating him.
 
Highlander said:
In more roster moves, I wish JVR would keep his green mouthpiece on his teeth instead of chewing on it like a dummy.  Don't know why it bothers me but it does.  I am even seeing other players imitating him.
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Who cares? It is working for them, no need to stop it.
 
interesting article from Mirtle today in the Globe and Mail, it is based on Horacheck and the difference he is bringing to the Leafs, especially in regards to back-checking. "Horacheck calls the Leafs' transition, from their old system to this new one, a work in process. But whats' encouraging he said, is that there's such a willing audience".

I have to admit this wowed me quite a bit. I am not an NHL coach and I don't play one on TV, but I would imagine that back-checking would have been the staple of great hockey teams from time  in memorial.  I remember Randy saying last year, time after time, that the players needed to get back on every play and help out the defence, yet this never happened, leading us into the tailspin that killed a badly coached hockey club.  Yes the new players, Komorav, Winneck, etc have improved the room. What irkes me is why Randy couldn't get the players to play a complete game but Horacheck can.  What does that say?
 
Highlander said:
interesting article from Mirtle today in the Globe and Mail, it is based on Horacheck and the difference he is bringing to the Leafs, especially in regards to back-checking. "Horacheck calls the Leafs' transition, from their old system to this new one, a work in process. But whats' encouraging he said, is that there's such a willing audience".

I have to admit this wowed me quite a bit. I am not an NHL coach and I don't play one on TV, but I would imagine that back-checking would have been the staple of great hockey teams from time  in memorial.  I remember Randy saying last year, time after time, that the players needed to get back on every play and help out the defence, yet this never happened, leading us into the tailspin that killed a badly coached hockey club.  Yes the new players, Komorav, Winneck, etc have improved the room. What irkes me is why Randy couldn't get the players to play a complete game but Horacheck can.  What does that say?
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Saying it is one thing; teaching it in such a way that it can be grasped, and broken down into operational tasks per situation is quite another. Carlyle generally has the right idea (pressure the puck carrier, push intrusions to the outside, spend more time in the OZ) but sometimes goes about it the wrong way (turtle-mode, giving up the point shot to protect the red zone). This was evident in the Q&As with the previous assistant coaches: Cronin; Gordon;

Even then, the right ideas and methodology means squat if the players executing the plan are just doing whatever they want. Last year, it looked like the Leafs tried the game plan for a bit, but found it wasn't working for them, so their talented players did their best the way they were successful before (run n' gun). This year, we have the experiences of getting burned the last two+ years, and in a few games this year where no plan was followed.

Here is the video interview with Horachek referenced by Mirtle

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btw: does anyone know how to do embedded urls in text?
 
dalter: Matt Frattin has indeed been placed on waivers today. #TMLtalk

There's the huge shakeup we've all been waiting for!
 
bustaheims said:
dalter: Matt Frattin has indeed been placed on waivers today. #TMLtalk

There's the huge shakeup we've all been waiting for!
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Now we need to sign Brad May to bring some sand paper to this team.
 
bustaheims said:
dalter: Matt Frattin has indeed been placed on waivers today. #TMLtalk

There's the huge shakeup we've all been waiting for!
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Sweet baby Jesus. 

I mean....

Oh my...

I need to take an anger management class after following this team.
 
Patrick said:
bustaheims said:
dalter: Matt Frattin has indeed been placed on waivers today. #TMLtalk

There's the huge shakeup we've all been waiting for!
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Sweet baby Jesus. 

I mean....

Oh my...

I need to take an anger management class after following this team.
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I've been way beyond the anger for a while now.  It's acceptance now, and disinterest.  I barely watch any of the games any more. I can't imagine being a kid and trying to follow this team and get excited about them.  There's really no entertainment or enjoyment watching the team, I have better things to do.
 
Bender said:
Potvin29 said:
bustaheims said:
dalter: Matt Frattin has indeed been placed on waivers today. #TMLtalk

There's the huge shakeup we've all been waiting for!
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Release the Frattin!
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So why did we give up D'Amigo for him?
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It's the little moves that bother me to be honest.

Taking on cap hit to trade Gunnarsson to St. Louis for Polak.  Gunnarsson is a better defenseman than Roman Polak.  Admittedly there was some risk with his hip injury on whether he could return to form, but he's been exceptionally good for them so far.  We got an inferior defenseman (not that I hate Polak as he brings something different to the lineup) and had to give up more to get him.  We also gave up a 4th round pick.

Trading Matt Frattin for Jerry D'Amigo we also gave up a 7th round pick.  Why? 

Here are some of our 7th round draft picks of late:
- Andreas Johnson 25 goals in the last two years in SHL hockey
- Viktor Loov, promising defense prospect
- Garrett Sparks, may never play in the NHL but has very good AHL/ECHL numbers
- Andrew MacWilliam, probably not an NHLer, but a 7th/AHL guy
- Carl Gunnarsson
- Even a guy like Leo Komarov was drafted 180th in the 6th round so pretty darn close to that area.

There are still a lot of flame out guys in that territory that don't get drafted, but Frattin wasn't adding anything special to the lineup.  He was a guy who had two weeks of good play amid a career of being a borderline NHLer.  He already had character issues almost end his career once and managed to put it together for a year and a half to be a borderline NHL player.  He had one brief hot streak and his value should have been negligent.  Guys like Frattin are waiver wire pickups.  No, the Leafs didn't give up a lot for him but every little bit does add up over time.
 
Just for the sake of accuracy, the 7th round pick in the Frattin trade is conditional - though, not knowing the conditions doesn't really make it clear as to whether or not the Leafs will end up without that pick. If it's a games played or performance based condition, it's unlikely it gets met.
 
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