2015-2016 NHL Thread
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bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
April Fools!
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
If I know anything about how the Karlsson-for-Norris debate has gone, it's that individual accomplishments are worthless if your team doesn't make the playoffs.
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herman said:
Except I think you're falling into the trap of confusing how Karlsson is used with how effective he is.
Hockey is a team game. No matter how good an individual is, a great deal of the play is determined by what other players do. A lot of the time the puck is in your end, a lot of time the other team has it. How a defenseman plays in those situations, how good they are at getting the puck from the other team or effectively covering opponents without the puck in a defensive situation is a huge part of what goes on even if they were the second coming of Bobby Orr when the puck is on their stick.
All teams have to work shorthanded. Penalty Kills, I think we'd agree, are important situations. If Karlsson's puck carrying abilities were such an effective alternative for traditional concepts of defense, why would't a team as bad as the Sens were on the PK use him there? They were desperate for a playoff spot, they had one of the worst PKs in the league and the "best defenseman in the league" was nailed to the bench when they were down a man. Are you familiar with the robot expression "does not compute"?
Ah, but the offense at even strength makes up for it right? Karlsson's 5v5 GF% was under 50. That can't simply be attributed to his terrible teammates because it's not true for Marc Methot, Cody Ceci, Chris Wideman or Patrick Wiercoch. Of all of Ottawa's regular defensemen they scored the lowest% of even strength goals with Karlsson on the ice.
Karlsson is an incredible talent but giving him the Norris this year would be a joke. There are great two-way defensemen in the league. Karlsson is not one of them.
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GhostofPotvin29
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Nik the Trik said:
He averaged 1:19 per game on the PK this season so it is incorrect to say he was not used on the PK or was nailed to the bench whenever they were down a man.
I feel bad for Hall. 3rd best left-winger in the league (behind Ovi and Benn), and he's basically wasted 6 years of his NHL career with this team.
Uhhh, we're talking about the same team that was still trying to learn how to back check last week, right?
herman
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Nik the Trik said:
Those are good points. Thanks for bringing them up. I was primarily looking at his WARRIOR chart compared to Doughty's and they looked disgustingly good.
Not playing on the PK is that knock that everyone has against Karlsson. And Ottawa's PK was abysmal this past season (29th), and they rarely deployed Karlsson on the PK. For 2015-16, Karlsson played 107 min shorthanded but was 2nd lowest in chances against behind Phaneuf. He wasn't their primary PKer (not by a long shot), but he also wasn't a complete liability when pressed into action. I think what does not compute speaks more to Ottawa's coaching decisions than anything.
Karlsson's 5-on-5 CF% was 49%. The only two defensemen who played more than 1000 minutes 5-on-5 with a higher CF% were Ceci (51.3%) and Methot (51%). I think the lower CF% can be explained by Karlsson playing nearly 500-600 more 5-on-5 minutes than Methot or Ceci. The team posted a sub-100 PDO for Karlsson's minutes as well.
I don't think Karlsson should get the Norris, per se (for the reasons you mentioned), especially not over the criminally underappreciated (by arbitrary NHL awards voters) Doughty. All I wanted to say was: holy Swedish meatballs, a defenseman was 1.0 PPG in an 82 game season on a garbage team in an era where 50 pts is considered awesome.
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CarltonTheBear said:
There is little doubt in my mind that the Leafs will be slightly worse defensively next year because it will be a younger team that will make catastrophic mistakes at times. But even down the stretch with some of the blowout games I felt that there were elements of that good play coming through. Granted I didn't watch 82 Oilers games but in the 5-6 that I did I saw very little in terms of a system or appropriate play.
Marc Bergevin announces that Therrien and his assistants will return next season. Therrien returning isn't surprising since it was basically announced earlier, but I thought they'd at least do what the Leafs did with Randy and bring in new assistants. Someone like Guy Boucher or even Marc Crawford perhaps.
LuncheonMeat
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An article on the Sharks and how they're using sleep research FWIW.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/sports/hockey/nhl-playoffs-sleep.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/25/sports/hockey/nhl-playoffs-sleep.html
hockeyfan1
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NHL sues NHLPA over Wideman suspension: League wants "judicial review" to vacate reduced suspension (of 10 games) restored to original 20 games:
The National Hockey League has applied for a judicial review, a form of a lawsuit, against the NHL Players' Association to vacate the reduced 10-game suspension of Calgary Flames defenceman Dennis Wideman.
Wideman's suspension for hitting linesman Don Henderson on Jan. 27 originally drew a 20-game ban from the league, but a neutral arbitrator later reduced the suspension to 10 games.
The league's goal is to have the suspension restored to 20 games.
NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement, "We can confirm that the National Hockey League today filed an action in the federal district court for the Southern District of New York seeking to vacate Arbitrator James Oldham's arbitration decision reducing the League's supplementary discipline suspension to Player Dennis Wideman from 20 to 10 games. We believe that Arbitrator Oldham, in reaching his decision, exceeded his contractual authority by failing to properly apply the parties' collectively bargained standard of review."
More:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-sues-nhlpa-to-vacate-wideman-suspension-1.503888
The National Hockey League has applied for a judicial review, a form of a lawsuit, against the NHL Players' Association to vacate the reduced 10-game suspension of Calgary Flames defenceman Dennis Wideman.
Wideman's suspension for hitting linesman Don Henderson on Jan. 27 originally drew a 20-game ban from the league, but a neutral arbitrator later reduced the suspension to 10 games.
The league's goal is to have the suspension restored to 20 games.
NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said in a statement, "We can confirm that the National Hockey League today filed an action in the federal district court for the Southern District of New York seeking to vacate Arbitrator James Oldham's arbitration decision reducing the League's supplementary discipline suspension to Player Dennis Wideman from 20 to 10 games. We believe that Arbitrator Oldham, in reaching his decision, exceeded his contractual authority by failing to properly apply the parties' collectively bargained standard of review."
More:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-sues-nhlpa-to-vacate-wideman-suspension-1.503888
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Brian Burke doing the rounds this morning telling everyone that Calgary will be looking for size in the upcoming draft.
Never change Brian, I'm kinda upset that he didn't get Carlyle to coach again.
Never change Brian, I'm kinda upset that he didn't get Carlyle to coach again.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I wonder what they do at #6 then. Odds are, Tkachuk and Dubois will be picked before then. That leaves them with Nylander, one of the defencemen, or a slightly more off-the-board pick. They do have a few smaller forwards already, and their D is in pretty good shape. Maybe this is where 6'6", 220 lbs Logan Brown comes into play.
Nik the Trik said:
Yeah, and while it's not a foregone conclusion I think they keep the pick and take a forward. Basically everybody has Tkachuk/Dubois ranked over the defencemen, and those two are a specific type of forward that Edmonton doesn't have yet (and that Chiarelli covets). So I don't think they'll believe taking a forward there is crazy.