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2015 Toronto Blue Jays thread

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Nik the Trik said:
Andy007 said:
As LK noted, Reinsdorf is friends with Beeston and there is even a quote about him not wanting to file tampering charges against such a close friend.

We'll have to wait and see if Angelos files tampering charges. But really, if we are to assume things "based on multiple media reports", wouldn't that lend more credence than, you know, nothing? It's not as if there are conflicting reports here.

Aren't the rules for tampering with front-office staff pretty loose though? I thought you could just straight up offer a job to someone in another organization provided you're offering them a promotion.

I always thought the unwritten rule was that if another team is offering a clear promotion then the employer/team is supposed to let the employee leave. But as I said,  I thought it was an unwritten rule and if an employee is under contract the employer shouldn't have to let them go if they don't want to. 

I would think, though, that the tampering etiquette still would apply in these situations too, no?
 
Andy007 said:
I would think, though, that the tampering etiquette still would apply in these situations too, no?

I genuinely don't know. I just figured that for filing a grievance or charges or whatever there'd have to be a pretty hard and fast rule that was broken.
 
FriedgeHNIC: Rogers just sent out a release stating Paul Beeston will remain President & CEO of the Blue Jays for next season, then retire.

I feel like this was probably already known internally before things got going to find his replacement.
 
Casey Janssen signed with the Nationals today if anyone was thinking he might come back.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Casey Janssen signed with the Nationals today if anyone was thinking he might come back.

The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.
 
L K said:
Nik the Trik said:
Casey Janssen signed with the Nationals today if anyone was thinking he might come back.

The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Bullpens are finicky though.  Hard to predict.
 
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?

I think my concern is that I have similar concerns about the starting rotation.  Dickey hasn't been great but at least gives you innings.  Eventually he's going to tail off though.  We already saw last year that he would start getting hit around when he started getting up in pitches. 

Buehrle's another reliable but average arm.

And then we really dont' know what we will get out of Stroman (2nd season), Hutchinson (mediocre year last year) and Norris (Rookie).

A starting rotation with question marks + a bullpen with question marks just doesn't build a lot of confidence going into the season.
 
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Yeah, but that was bound to be true regardless of what happened to the bullpen.
 
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?

Scratch Belisario off that list.  They don't actually have a contract agreement.
 
L K said:
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?

Scratch Belisario off that list.  They don't actually have a contract agreement.

It was only a minor league contract anyway. And he sucks.

I think you will see Norris slide in as the #5 guy with Estrada and Snachez both in the pen. Cecil is supposed to be closing.
 
Well, they did just sign one of the best closers from the Mexican league to a minor league deal. So, there's that, I guess.
 
Andy007 said:
L K said:
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?

Scratch Belisario off that list.  They don't actually have a contract agreement.

It was only a minor league contract anyway. And he sucks.

I think you will see Norris slide in as the #5 guy with Estrada and Snachez both in the pen. Cecil is supposed to be closing.

8)
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Andy007 said:
L K said:
bustaheims said:
L K said:
The Jays supposedly have 6 million left to spend.  It's looking like Sanchez is going to have to close for the Jays to even have a mediocre bullpen.  It seems like a waste to not have him as a starter. 

I really don't have high expectations for this team.  Pitching is going to be a major downfall for this team.

Seems like they're going for the cheaper, less heralded options to fill the bullpen. They just added Belisario on a minor league deal with a major league option today. It's obviously not the surest route to build a quality bullpen, but, if a couple guys like that pan out, it could be an economical one. I don't have a ton of faith in things going the Jays' way, but, relief arms can be wildly inconsistent, so, who knows?

Scratch Belisario off that list.  They don't actually have a contract agreement.

It was only a minor league contract anyway. And he sucks.

I think you will see Norris slide in as the #5 guy with Estrada and Snachez both in the pen. Cecil is supposed to be closing.

8)

And instead of innings he will pitch periods...  :-X
 
bustaheims said:
Well, they did just sign one of the best closers from the Mexican league to a minor league deal. So, there's that, I guess.

Casey Janssen's Non-Union Mexican equivalent?
 
Keith Law with some comments on Dalton Pompey:

Dalton Pompey wasn't even on your top 100 list - or probably anyone's for that matter - last year, yet here he is ranked 42nd and in the mix to be the Opening Day center fielder for the Toronto Blue Jays. How do you explain Pompey's sudden rise through the ranks and what does his ceiling look like?

I think he got a bit stronger and the plate discipline was already pretty solid. He maintained it even though they kept promoting him last year. It's one thing to have good plate discipline for your age and your level and take good at bats, that's great. But eventually you move up to Double-A and all of a sudden that back door slider is a pitch you've never seen located before and it never seemed to phase him, actually. He can play the heck out of center field, he's a good athlete, the swings look good, all the other elements are there.

I think you're looking at an above average every day center fielder, probably getting to that level after another year or so. He got to the majors really quickly and I understand there's some debate over whether he'll start the season in the big leagues. At this point, I don't know that he's got a lot left to learn in the minors. I would be willing to let him struggle a little bit in 2015 in the majors if I thought it would advance his long-term development, and I do.

That means 2016-17 you're looking at a guy who really is your anchor - a plus defender who gets on base at a great clip and adds a lot of value on the bases. That's probably a top 10 center fielder in baseball once he gets to that peak.

Also, on Aaron Sanchez:

Q: Which pitcher from your top 100 list has the most injury-vulnerable delivery?

A: Aaron Sanchez. At some point he shortened his stride, and guys who shorten their stride like that end up hurt. Tyler Skaggs blew his elbow out, Taijuan Walker has had a bunch of shoulder issues. Sanchez has stayed healthy - I hope he stays healthy. I hope they lengthen his stride because you can't pitch like that. That's a medical evaluation, not even a baseball evaluation. You ask guys who study injuries, like Dr. (James) Andrews' people, and they'll tell you: it doesn't work. It's amazing that he's kept his stuff but I'm very concerned about his health. I hope he gets back to the delivery he used to have.

5 Questions with Keith Law: Baez, Sanchez and Gallo's power
 
Can someone explain how Salary Arbitration works in MLB?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-toronto-blue-jays-salary-arbitration-hearing-2015/

Jays "won" their case with Josh Donalson, who will receive $4.3m
instead of the $5.75m Donaldson was asking for.

On the open market, Donaldson would command what, $12m over multiple years? I don't understand. Good for the Jays I guess.
 
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