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2015 Toronto Blue Jays thread

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Andy007 said:
Quite clearly he finds ways to continually be injured, whether it be by the freak or non-freak variety.
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What he should really do is find a way to get rid of the bad spirits haunting him.
 
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Andy007 said:
Wow, Saunders is hurt? That is pretty shocking news. In an unrelated story, the Pope is still Catholic.
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Quite clearly he's got one of those knees that's uniquely vulnerable to sprinklers.
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Quite clearly he finds ways to continually be injured, whether it be by the freak or non-freak variety.
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He's been injured for only 13% of Seattle's games the last 3 seasons.
 
Potvin29 said:
Andy007 said:
Nik the Trik said:
Andy007 said:
Wow, Saunders is hurt? That is pretty shocking news. In an unrelated story, the Pope is still Catholic.
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Quite clearly he's got one of those knees that's uniquely vulnerable to sprinklers.
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Quite clearly he finds ways to continually be injured, whether it be by the freak or non-freak variety.
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He's been injured for only 13% of Seattle's games the last 3 seasons.
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The whole issue with Saunders and why he was even traded from Seattle was because of his constant injury problems. He's described as "injury-prone"  in just about every article dating back to last year. He..gets..injured..alot.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Andy007 said:
Quite clearly he finds ways to continually be injured, whether it be by the freak or non-freak variety.
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What he should really do is find a way to get rid of the bad spirits haunting him.
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As long as that's an endeavour easily managed from a wheelchair, I'm all for it.
 
Andy007 said:
As long as that's an endeavour easily managed from a wheelchair, I'm all for it.
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We're actually prettylucky that in addition to beefing up their sabrmetrics department the Jays recently hired two exorcists and a houngan.
 
Baseball always has the more interesting injuries. Guys tripping over sprinklers, cutting themselves opening DVDs, hurting their back carrying suitcases, etc.
 
So the damage ended up being severe enough that Saunders had his meniscus removed entirely instead of repaired.  Changes his recovery time significantly - he's hoping to be ready by Opening Day now.
 
Potvin29 said:
So the damage ended up being severe enough that Saunders had his meniscus removed entirely instead of repaired.  Changes his recovery time significantly - he's hoping to be ready by Opening Day now.
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Maybe LK could chime in here...I don't understand how removing the meniscus is preferable to repairing it (which wasn't an option due to the severity of the injury)?  Wouldn't there be further long-term ramifications to removing it?
 
Frank E said:
Potvin29 said:
So the damage ended up being severe enough that Saunders had his meniscus removed entirely instead of repaired.  Changes his recovery time significantly - he's hoping to be ready by Opening Day now.
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Maybe LK could chime in here...I don't understand how removing the meniscus is preferable to repairing it (which wasn't an option due to the severity of the injury)?  Wouldn't there be further long-term ramifications to removing it?
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But during Friday?s operation, team surgeon Steven Mirabello discovered that the knee cartilage was so damaged that it could not be repaired, general manager Alex Anthopoulos said. Mirabello had to remove 60% of the cartilage. Recovery time is estimated at five to six weeks, the GM said.

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Long-term, however, Saunders faces the possibility of knee problems, including arthritis, because of the missing cartilage, Anthopoulos said, basing his comments on discussions with Mirabello. There is no way to predict whether such problems will arise, nor how serious they might be.

?The doctor told me everything else looked great in his knee. Forty per cent cartilage is still a good chunk. Down the road, years from now, maybe this is something he?s going to need to be on top of,? Anthopoulos said.

But the GM stressed that Saunders ?didn?t really have a choice in this ? It wasn?t even an option to get it repaired.?
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/27/toronto-blue-jays-michael-saunders-gets-bad-news-about-knee-good-news-about-recovery-timeline/
 
Thanks Potvin, the Sportsnet article I read didn't get into that particular detail.  I figured there'd be something he'd have to deal with down the line.
 
Potvin's article basically summarizes why having a menisectomy was the right choice for Saunders.

When looking at Meniscal tears there are a few things to keep in mind. 

1) Extent of the injury.  Is it a partial or complex tear.  Was it due to trauma (twist injury usually) or degeneration of the meniscus.
2) Location of the tear.  Anterior, lateral, or posterior.

If you don't repair a meniscal tear, the joint tends to build up a lot of fluid (effusion) and that can impair mobility and proceed sometimes very rapidly to pretty debilitating osteoarthritis.

A simplified indication for surgery is if the mensicus tear goes right down to the cartilage covering the knee.  If it reaches there the symptoms are usually more severe and range of motion is impaired to the point that physiotherapy to strengthen the muscles around the knee are unlikely to be effective for rehab.

The current thinking on Mensical surgery is more toward partial resection or repair over total resection however.  Removing the mensicus entirely can have a permanent effect on joint mobility.  It plays a pretty important role in joint stabilization and lubrication of the knee.  More of the severe effects are down the road with degeneration of the knee but it can have a permanent and immediate effect too.

It certainly accelerates his timeline for recovery though because you can get active with physio pretty much the second you get off the operating table.  Recovery now is about allowing the surgical incisions to heal and just strengthening the muscles around the knee rather than allowing the meniscal tear to heal.  It's pretty good news for the Jays this year and probably buys Saunders a knee replacement when he hits 50.

All that being said, I'm not an orthopedic surgeon so I'm not up to date on the latest intricacies of total menisectomies and there certainly have been a lot of advancements in knee preserving surgeries but they have been trending more in the direction of tear repair and partial excisions over total excisions.
 
If anyone is interested the annual pool over at my Okbluejays.com site has some openings. Swing by the forums if you wish to join.
 
In case you're wondering if this team is actually cursed, AA is about to address the media with "significant announcement" - rumours that it's very bad news.

Welp.  See ya later guys.  I'm out.  Bye.  Night.

‏@BlueJays 

Marcus Stroman as suffered a torn left ACL and will be out for the 2015 season.
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