2015 Toronto Blue Jays thread

[Kin]

So with Delabar being sent down (only one BB in 7 innings and 9 K's, seems like a weird demotion) and Kyle Drabek lost on waivers, I guess that means that both of Osuna and Castro are making the team? And if that's true, is this organization the worst in baseball, or professional sports?

That wouldn't depend on how well Osuna and Castro, you know, pitch?

 

[Andy007]

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Please tell me that was a joke.

I'm exaggerating, to be sure, but man, this organization really doesn't know what it's doing. A 20 year-old and a turning 20-year old should not be making a major league roster by virtue of a good spring training.

 

[Andy007]

So with Delabar being sent down (only one BB in 7 innings and 9 K's, seems like a weird demotion) and Kyle Drabek lost on waivers, I guess that means that both of Osuna and Castro are making the team? And if that's true, is this organization the worst in baseball, or professional sports?

That wouldn't depend on how well Osuna and Castro, you know, pitch?

What, during spring training? Kyle Drabek was an ace during spring training. How has that turned out? And how can any 20 year old pitcher, short of the generational talents, which both of these guys aren't, sorry to say, be counted on to carry any kind of load or have much success in the big leagues? Isn't this team trying to contend? Why keep Bautista, EE and Dickey around for a year when they are trying to fill holes with raw, overmatched rookies?

 

[Kin]

What, during spring training?

No, I mean during the season. If they don't do well then it was probably a bad decision and if they do well then less so. I'm suggesting that a proper evaluation might require actually seeing how they pitch in the big leagues.

 

[Andy007]

What, during spring training?

No, I mean during the season. If they don't do well then it was probably a bad decision and if they do well then less so. I'm suggesting that a proper evaluation might require actually seeing how they pitch in the big leagues.

Okay so burn a year of contract eligibility so you can see how a 20 year old pitches in the bullpen in the big leagues? That doesn't make alot of sense. Considering the core of this Jays team is gone in a year and they are desperate to contend, it makes even less sense.

 

[Kin]

Okay so burn a year of contract eligibility so you can see how a 20 year old pitches in the bullpen in the big leagues? That doesn't make alot of sense. Considering the core of this Jays team is gone in a year and they are desperate to contend, it makes even less sense.

So how well they pitch is irrelevant? Alright then.

 

[Andy007]

Okay so burn a year of contract eligibility so you can see how a 20 year old pitches in the bullpen in the big leagues? That doesn't make alot of sense. Considering the core of this Jays team is gone in a year and they are desperate to contend, it makes even less sense.

So how well they pitch is irrelevant? Alright then.

You can make that argument for every transaction if you want. If they send down Reyes and keep up Goins are you going to say that we should wait and see how Goins hits before anyone criticizes the move?

Castro and Osuna are 20 and barely 20. Putting them waaaay prematurely on a major league roster is more likely to hurt them than to result in them pitching well. And it starts the clock on their free agency. It's stupid. 

 

[Kin]

You can make that argument for every transaction if you want.

True. I think when it comes to the example you mention there's a bit of a difference when it comes to someone like Reyes who's got a 10+ year history of consistently good-great performance in the bigs as opposed to someone like Delabar who's never had a particularly great season in the majors vs. untested rookies.

And I get service time is important but sometimes I really do think you should just go with your best 25. Just the way I see things though. I'm not aggro about it.

 

[L K]

What, during spring training?

No, I mean during the season. If they don't do well then it was probably a bad decision and if they do well then less so. I'm suggesting that a proper evaluation might require actually seeing how they pitch in the big leagues.

Can we revert back to how poor the Roy Halladay trade was then?

Kyle Drabek - under 200 career innings pitched and a 5.72 ERA
Michael Taylor --> Brett Wallace --> Anthony Gose --> Devon Travis
Travis D'Arnaud --> package for Reyes and Dickey

 

[Kin]

Can we revert back to how poor the Roy Halladay trade was then?

Kyle Drabek - under 200 career innings pitched and a 5.72 ERA
Michael Taylor --> Brett Wallace --> Anthony Gose --> Devon Travis
Travis D'Arnaud --> package for Reyes and Dickey

Yeah, they whiffed on that one, no doubt about it.

 

[L K]

You can make that argument for every transaction if you want.

True. I think when it comes to the example you mention there's a bit of a difference when it comes to someone like Reyes who's got a 10+ year history of consistently good-great performance in the bigs as opposed to someone like Delabar who's never had a particularly great season in the majors vs. untested rookies.

And I get service time is important but sometimes I really do think you should just go with your best 25. Just the way I see things though. I'm not aggro about it.

I think there is a pretty fair argument that his 2012-2013 stretch with the Jays was enough to buy him a little more rope.  Although I think every story on him needs to stop calling him Steve "All-Star" Delabar.  Sure, he made the all-star team.  He had a fantastic 41 inning stretch and then fell apart in the second half (mind you Gibbons does this a lot where he overuses guys and they fall apart meanwhile other guys sit for 10 days and then pitch cold).

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I mean, at worst it's really not a huge deal.

 

[Kin]

I think there is a pretty fair argument that his 2012-2013 stretch with the Jays was enough to buy him a little more rope.  Although I think every story on him needs to stop calling him Steve "All-Star" Delabar.  Sure, he made the all-star team.  He had a fantastic 41 inning stretch and then fell apart in the second half (mind you Gibbons does this a lot where he overuses guys and they fall apart meanwhile other guys sit for 10 days and then pitch cold).

Sure that would be fair. It has merit, might even end up being right. But if you're going to categorize the decision to break camp with two young guys who've looked lights out in single relief as stupid regardless of how they pitch, I think you need something a little more than a fair argument that Delabar's pretty good two year stretch might have earned him better.

 

[Joe S.]

So I'm actually going to see the Jays play on Saturday in Montreal... I'm counting this as one of my 'baseball roadtrip' games.

In any case, I've never been to the Big O for a game, but I hear that it is quite the state of disrepair... and that it's quite nasty. What I'm worried about is any player getting hurt on that crazy turf...

 

[Bill_Berg]

I don't mind giving the young guys a chance. We need some young/unknowns to step up if we're going to compete this season anyway. Why not give them a shot right out of the gate. Build some confidence, see how it goes. Wait for a 5 run lead, then plop these guys in for an inning or two.

They'll be nursed for sure, that's why we'll have 8 in the bullpen (although that's not finalized to my knowledge just yet).

 

[hockeyfan1]

I don't mind giving the young guys a chance. We need some young/unknowns to step up if we're going to compete this season anyway. Why not give them a shot right out of the gate. Build some confidence, see how it goes. Wait for a 5 run lead, then plop these guys in for an inning or two.

They'll be nursed for sure, that's why we'll have 8 in the bullpen (although that's not finalized to my knowledge just yet).

I like the Jays' (projected) pitching rotation in Hutchison, Dickey, Buerhle, Norris, and Sanchez.

I agree with the Jays decision to go with youth interspersed with veteran talent.  A good mix.  Hopefully it will work, though considering the relative inexperience of Norris and Sanchez, there will need to be room for errors and patience.

 

[Joe S.]

50231 at the big O for the game today.

96k for the 2 games.

On a side note. This stadium is a dump. Worse than the skydome for inside a parking garage feeling.

 

[seahawk]

50231 at the big O for the game today.

96k for the 2 games.

On a side note. This stadium is a dump. Worse than the skydome for inside a parking garage feeling.

For a building constructed in the 70s, it's to be expected. Now they've drawn 95k 2 years in a row for Spring Training games. It's a different story doing it over 81 regular season games, but I think Montreal has shown they can support a team. Now, who else would you add as the 32nd market and would you keep inter-league play? My answers are yes to inter-league (Jays-Expos in games that count) and not sure on #32. Cities I would consider Charlotte, Nashville, San Antonio, Portland, and Salt Lake.

 

[L K]

50231 at the big O for the game today.

96k for the 2 games.

On a side note. This stadium is a dump. Worse than the skydome for inside a parking garage feeling.

For a building constructed in the 70s, it's to be expected. Now they've drawn 95k 2 years in a row for Spring Training games. It's a different story doing it over 81 regular season games, but I think Montreal has shown they can support a team. Now, who else would you add as the 32nd market and would you keep inter-league play? My answers are yes to inter-league (Jays-Expos in games that count) and not sure on #32. Cities I would consider Charlotte, Nashville, San Antonio, Portland, and Salt Lake.

If the Expos came back honestly I think the other team has to come from more Western US anyway so why not put them in the AL too?

 

[seahawk]

50231 at the big O for the game today.

96k for the 2 games.

On a side note. This stadium is a dump. Worse than the skydome for inside a parking garage feeling.

For a building constructed in the 70s, it's to be expected. Now they've drawn 95k 2 years in a row for Spring Training games. It's a different story doing it over 81 regular season games, but I think Montreal has shown they can support a team. Now, who else would you add as the 32nd market and would you keep inter-league play? My answers are yes to inter-league (Jays-Expos in games that count) and not sure on #32. Cities I would consider Charlotte, Nashville, San Antonio, Portland, and Salt Lake.

If the Expos came back honestly I think the other team has to come from more Western US anyway so why not put them in the AL too?

Montreal was always in the NL. I would put them back there just out of historical reasons.