2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
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bustaheims
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cabber24 said:
A healthy Lupul could bring back a decent return. Bozak could be an interesting case. It's not unusual for teams to overpay for guys who do well with faceoffs. But, yeah, JvR, Komarov, possibly Gardiner and Kadri . . . they're the real bait the Leafs still have to fish with.
bustaheims
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Nik the Trik said:
Not a great, job, no, but not entirely in their control, either.
bustaheims
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James Mirtle @mirtle 3m3 minutes ago
Lamoriello calls Komarov a core member of the team and that they weren't going to move him.
READ: The offers that were made on him weren't very good.
Lamoriello calls Komarov a core member of the team and that they weren't going to move him.
READ: The offers that were made on him weren't very good.
bustaheims
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James Mirtle @mirtle 1m1 minute ago
Lamoriello says they're shutting down Jared Cowen and will buy him out in the summer.
No surprise there. Still a possibility a team like the Hawks comes calling to see if the Leafs take Bickell and a pick for him.
Lamoriello says they're shutting down Jared Cowen and will buy him out in the summer.
No surprise there. Still a possibility a team like the Hawks comes calling to see if the Leafs take Bickell and a pick for him.
Frank E
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bustaheims said:
This is kind of evidence of the same problem they had with getting something for Reimer.
They miscalculated what the market would bear at this deadline.
In my opinion, for what the Leafs carried in real salary this year, Shanahan and co. might be rightfully a little under the gun by the board.
I'll tell you what though...I think they go after Stamkos now for sure.
GhostofPotvin29
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Frank E said:
Because of some perceived lacklustre returns on average players or failure to pick up a couple more picks you think they might be under the gun? I think it's silly to think the board hasn't been kept apprised of the overall plan and given their green light to it.
bustaheims
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Frank E said:
I don't really buy that. I think they knew exactly what the market would bear for Reimer. It's the fans and the media that misjudged that. As for the rest - I doubt there was all that much interest in Grabner or Boyes, and I imagine they knew that coming in. They both needed to have put up better raw totals than they did to have much appeal. They misjudged things with PAP, and that's unfortunate, but that's the only real failing here based on their expectations. I also don't think they're under the gun at all. The board knows what the long-term plan is, and they've endorsed it. A mildly disappointing deadline isn't going to change that. I mean, overall, the Leafs have 5 picks than they started with - including 4 second rounders - and a pair of solid prospects over the last couple weeks, while shedding a serious long-term commitment, and not adding any contracts that go past next season or moving out any young players of value. Overall, that's a win.
Frank E said:
Would trading PAP and getting a 3rd instead of a 4th for Reimer changed that? Leafs flexed their muscles with Horton/Cowen/Laich and I'd say the transactions that brought those guys in and ballooned our payroll were all positives for the Leafs.
bustaheims
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Frank E said:
You mean use their financial advantage as leverage to acquire draft picks and prospects? I guarantee you that's absolutely part of the plan they were presented. It's not like they went out and sign a bunch of bloated, long-term deals. Short-term financial pain for potential long-term game was always part of the plan. Again, they added 4 second roudn picks and 2 good/very good prospects by doing so. I'm not sure how much better the result could have been. Would one more top 90 pick and/or a couple more 6th rounders really changed anything?
herman
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I understand the disappointment that some players weren't moved in time, but those signings already did the job: they kept developing players in the AHL for most of the season. Anything in return at the deadline was always going to just be icing on the cake.
There was a stretch earlier this season where it legitimately looked like we'd get Vancouver's UFA trade deadline return (zip, zilch, and nada). The team got a lot done prior to today's 'rush'. We have 12 picks going into the draft with pieces that can still be moved on the draft floor or prior when the Cap is no longer in effect. We still have vets that can shepherd our new influx of youth. I think we're in a good spot. Could be better, but it's not like we got 'worse'.
There was a stretch earlier this season where it legitimately looked like we'd get Vancouver's UFA trade deadline return (zip, zilch, and nada). The team got a lot done prior to today's 'rush'. We have 12 picks going into the draft with pieces that can still be moved on the draft floor or prior when the Cap is no longer in effect. We still have vets that can shepherd our new influx of youth. I think we're in a good spot. Could be better, but it's not like we got 'worse'.
Kin
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bustaheims said:
I just don't agree with this. Overall that's just them making pretty basic moves. The one year guys they signed in the summer yielded the grand total of a 4th round pick. They've added one top #100 pick in this year's draft.
I think you can separate that from the on a whole so-so moves they made with their own UFA's.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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From the Phaneuf deal I've been very happy with how things played out over the past little while, it'd have been nice to get a few other picks for PAP etc, but I think Busta probably nailed it by calling him the few buyers out there's second choice, once they got who they wanted the PAP interest probably cooled.
One thing I'm interested to watch is that there are quite a few guys who become waiver eligible next year. C. Carrick, Percy, Loov, Leivo, Leipsic(I'm fairly sure on him) and I know there are more.
This might mean we don't see as many 1 year veterans as it's approaching now or never territory with a few of the prospects around 22 and older needing NHL time to see if they are the real deal or not.
One thing I'm interested to watch is that there are quite a few guys who become waiver eligible next year. C. Carrick, Percy, Loov, Leivo, Leipsic(I'm fairly sure on him) and I know there are more.
This might mean we don't see as many 1 year veterans as it's approaching now or never territory with a few of the prospects around 22 and older needing NHL time to see if they are the real deal or not.