2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread

[cabber24]

Boston... draft swaft, traded their 2-5 picks.

 

[rdowdall]

but when you look at something like the Phanuef deal, did they really gain a whole lot by waiting one more year?

They gained a better long-term cap position than the rumoured deal from last year. And, if they can turn Cowen/Greening/Michalek into anything, then, yeah, they definitely gained by waiting.

Well the long term cap thing is probably good, but going by what happened today, I am not sure if they are going to get anything of significance for Cowen/Greening/Michalek.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

It has to be injury.

Stempniak gets that return and PAP gets nothing?

The Leafs are smart enough to move the price if teams weren't offering their initial price.

 

[Kin]

Possibly, or the few moves we did see get made were the teams that were interested in PAP going with other options, and maybe Parenteau was always lower on their lists?

But the Islanders didn't do anything. I guess their interest could be bogus but he just wasn't worth nothing unless he's really hurt. I don't buy that really for Boyes either.

I guess maybe there was some sort of internal discussion about just how valuable it was to have extra 5th or 6th round picks vs. issues with the contract limit? I don't know. I'm really reaching here. I get a slow market driving prices down but these were guys who they should have taken any offer for. 

 

[cabber24]

Yeah, I guess. Maybe just nobody wanted Boyes/Grabner?  To be honest, I can't really get a read on the Leafs right now. Trading Reimer seems like it was aggressive but doing nothing on anyone but UFA's indicates maybe they weren't so much?

Maybe, but PAP? Then again, with the way things went today, I guess that's possible. This where the soft market came into play, I suppose.

This is a big fail guys.  Maybe PAP is injured, I don't know.

So that whole reclamation project and turn it into draft picks strategy has to be rethought somewhat.

Can we point to one that worked out that way this year?

Fire Lou!

 

[bustaheims]

But the Islanders didn't do anything.

They traded for Shane Prince.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Yeah, I guess. Maybe just nobody wanted Boyes/Grabner?  To be honest, I can't really get a read on the Leafs right now. Trading Reimer seems like it was aggressive but doing nothing on anyone but UFA's indicates maybe they weren't so much?

Maybe, but PAP? Then again, with the way things went today, I guess that's possible. This where the soft market came into play, I suppose.

This is a big fail guys.  Maybe PAP is injured, I don't know.

So that whole reclamation project and turn it into draft picks strategy has to be rethought somewhat.

Can we point to one that worked out that way this year?

Matthias

Winnik kinda.

 

[bustaheims]

Well the long term cap thing is probably good, but going by what happened today, I am not sure if they are going to get anything of significance for Cowen/Greening/Michalek.

Well, Cowen will be more of a "pick up a bad contract and a pick for the buyout credit" so, yeah, not significant. As for Michalek and Greening . . . I don't know if you can really take anythign from today and apply it to what might happen next season. Every deadline is a little different. If they each have decent-to-good seasons, there could very well be takers for them.

 

[ZBBM]

I guess ANA wanted McGinn more than PAP.

 

[cabber24]

Maybe PAP shouldn't of played Saturday. Not a good tank nation decision.

 

[bustaheims]

So that whole reclamation project and turn it into draft picks strategy has to be rethought somewhat.

It's something that's going to vary from year to year. Last season, it would have been great for the Leafs. Next season, it could be again. This year? Obviously, not so great.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Whatever, let's re-sign PAP and try again next year.

 

[bustaheims]

Maybe PAP shouldn't of played Saturday. Not a good tank nation decision.

I doubt that had much to do with it. If he was hurt, it wasn't something that happened in the small amount of time he was on the ice. Teams would have been asking questions about his health because of the hit in the Carolina game.

 

[cabber24]

So that whole reclamation project and turn it into draft picks strategy has to be rethought somewhat.

It's something that's going to vary from year to year. Last season, it would have been great for the Leafs. Next season, it could be again. This year? Obviously, not so great.

Matthias and Winnik worked but Grabner, Paranteau, and Boyes were a bust. I would say it did not go as planned. I don't think we can assume this kind of draft haul will continue considering the assets we have left.

 

[Kin]

But the Islanders didn't do anything.

They traded for Shane Prince.

Yeah, I guess. This really seems like the kind of thing the Lou-Advocates said he'd be able to negotiate around but, well, I was never one of those guys so I guess that's just how it goes. I don't for a second buy that there were no offers for these guys but whatever.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

At least we aren't the Canucks, right:

Farhan Lalji ‏@FarhanLaljiTSN
#Canucks came into the day with 6 pending UFAs & couldn't get anything back for any of them. #Tradecentre

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah, I guess. This really seems like the kind of thing the Lou-Advocates said he'd be able to negotiate around but, well, I was never one of those guys so I guess that's just how it goes. I don't for a second buy that there were no offers for these guys but whatever.

I don't buy there weren't offers either, but I can definitely believe they were secondary targets, and the offers disappeared as other deals got done.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Maybe PAP shouldn't of played Saturday. Not a good tank nation decision.

I doubt that had much to do with it. If he was hurt, it wasn't something that happened in the small amount of time he was on the ice. Teams would have been asking questions about his health because of the hit in the Carolina game.

And you know, the more I think about it, they have to have some players for the remainder of the season, especially with the injuries they've had.  Realistically maybe the Leafs are missing out on a couple mid-round picks in the end, but there's still time before the draft to make deals if they want and it's not like they're hurting for picks this season.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think we can assume this kind of draft haul will continue considering the assets we have left.

Actually, the assets the Leafs still have left to deal in the next couple seasons are the more valuable ones. If anything, we're likely to see a better haul of picks/prospects when they're moved. As for reclamation projects on one year deals? There's no real downside for the Leafs in going that route, even if they can't get trades done on them, so, might as well try it again next season.

 

[ZBBM]

Maybe PAP shouldn't of played Saturday. Not a good tank nation decision.

I doubt that had much to do with it. If he was hurt, it wasn't something that happened in the small amount of time he was on the ice. Teams would have been asking questions about his health because of the hit in the Carolina game.

And you know, the more I think about it, they have to have some players for the remainder of the season, especially with the injuries they've had.  Realistically maybe the Leafs are missing out on a couple mid-round picks in the end, but there's still time before the draft to make deals if they want and it's not like they're hurting for picks this season.

And perhaps they wanted to hang onto guys like Parenteau to mentor the Marlies callups, who may be with the Leafs for a decent stretch of games if not the rest of the NHL season.