hockeyfan1
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Highlander said:
Perhaps if Reimer wasn't so injury-prone....I'd prefer they keep Reimer or put him in the "available but not for sale" category and Bernier in the "expendables" category.
2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread
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Perhaps if Reimer wasn't so injury-prone....I'd prefer they keep Reimer or put him in the "available but not for sale" category and Bernier in the "expendables" category.
LuncheonMeat
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Nik the Trik said:
I was thinking about this this morning. Assuming the Leafs sign Stamkos in the offseason, what happens to Phaneuf? Stamkos would be the logical choice for captain, and he's also going to be quite expensive. Phaneuf is playing fairly well now with more reasonable minutes, and his trade value is likely higher than it's been in a while. If Stamkos does go to UFA, and the Leafs wait on moving Phaneuf, are they now dealing from a position of weakness? I really think the Leafs should be working hard to move him for what they can prior to the deadline.
bustaheims
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LuncheonMeat said:
Moving Phaneuf's contract at the deadline is the most difficult of any potential Leaf move. There aren't many teams that can absorb it without moving a contract that belongs to a player they'd want to keep around - which basically eliminates 2/3 of the league who won't really consider moving those pieces until the off-season, unless they're really getting a significant upgrade. The teams that might be able to make that kind of move aren't looking to add at the deadline, or give up picks/prospects. I just don't think there will be an opportunity to move Phaneuf at the deadline, no matter how much the Leafs would like to. There's too much cap and too much term on the contract for it to be anything but an off-season move. I also don't think Stamkos has any real impact on the Leafs' trade position on Phaneuf.
Zee
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hockeyfan1 said:
I really don't know what the best option is with Reimer. Right now he's playing like a true #1 goalie, he's only 27 so maybe he can maintain this play for years to come, but who the hell knows. He's a UFA so you're not going to get a huge return for him in a trade, but you risk losing him for nothing. Do they try and re-sign him to a 3-4 year deal if possible?
LuncheonMeat
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Zee said:
I can't imagine the Leafs see Reimer as their #1 going forward, and I can't imagine Reimer doesn't want the opportunity to be one, so I don't think he and the Leafs are a match. Depending on how many teams need a goalie with the solid numbers he's putting, he could still fetch a good return, especially if the acquiring team thinks they can sign him to a deal.
bustaheims
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Zee said:
The focus right now needs to be on the 4th year of that theoretical deal, and the years beyond. The seasons in between aren't consequential. So, I guess the question is what's more valuable - trading Reimer now, or holding on to him in his 30s and seeing if can be type of goalie that can carry the Leafs to Cup contention when he'll likely be entering the downside of his career (or trading him at that point instead). I don't see him as the long-term solution for the Leafs in net, and whoever the stop-gap they use in between is . . . as long as they're a capable NHL goalie, I'm not sure it really matters who they are. For the next couple seasons, the Leafs should be looking to maximize the return for anyone who isn't going to be a significant piece of the puzzle when they can realistically expect to be in a position to compete for the Cup.
Kin
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Tigger said:
Over the last four seasons Skinner has produced at a rate of 28 goals/46 points per 82 games. Is having him locked in for 3 more years at 6 million per really that big of a plus?
The Hurricanes have to deal with Eric Staal at some point as well. If they're moving on from Staal then, yeah, maybe you don't want to deal Skinner for immediate help but if Staal isn't sure about coming back and would be swayed by a little more success then there is a bit of a pressing need to improve.
hockeyfan1
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Here's an article that explores the potential of five Leaf trades:James Reimer
Potential trade partners: Montreal, St. Louis.
The possible return: A first-round draft pick, no worse than a second.]
...he could help a playoff-bound club needing depth or a bona fide No. 1 option. Montreal may have interest, depending on Carey Price?s status. The Blues could also be interested, with Jake Allen sideline by a knee injury.
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Roman Polak
Potential trade partners: Chicago, N.Y. Islanders, N.Y. Rangers, L.A. Kings, among others.
The possible return: A second-round pick.
...is a classic, hard-nosed, protect-the-front-of-the-net defender that any playoff team could use. He would make any team better.
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Leo Komarov
Potential trade partners: Washington, Dallas, San Jose.
The possible return: A second-round pick.
...He can play on a team?s top three lines, and serve as a prime penalty killer; he?s a perfect depth player for a playoff run...
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Michael Grabner
Potential trade partners: St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Minnesota.
The possible return: Anywhere from a third- to fifth-round pick
One of the best skaters in the game...He could help the Blues, who are having trouble putting the puck in the net.
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Joffrey Lupul
Potential trade partners: L.A. Kings, San Jose, St. Louis Blues.
The possible return: Anywhere from a third- to fifth-round pick.
The 32-year-old still has offensive potential ? five 20-goal seasons, including 22 two years ago ? which is always in demand.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2016/01/20/five-maple-leafs-players-who-could-draw-interest-before-nhl-trade-deadline.html
Kin
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Tigger said:
Hey, if they'd rather make it Sebastian Aho and their 1st round pick I'd be all ears. The question was whether or not we'd be interested in Jeff Skinner being part of a Reimer deal. Personally, I think that if Carolina wanted to use Skinner instead of one of their valuable younger assets like Lindholm or the aforementioned Aho + a first it would be interesting.
As to your question Carolina is currently, according to ESPN, sitting dead last in the league in attendance, 2,000 fans a game lower than 29th place Phoenix and, in terms of a percentage of their building they're at 61% which is 14% behind the 29th place Blue Jackets. To me that says they might not be super inclined to ask their fans to be patient with them missing the playoffs for the 7th season in a row or the rebuild that would almost certainly have to occur if Eric Staal leaves. To that end, they might be a little desperate for goaltending that would represent a significant improvement on what they're getting. Desperate teams make hard choices. Trading Skinner instead of the package of picks/young players it would take to get a goalie of that caliber would be just that.
But that's just my take.
Francis has been pretty clear that they need to build their depth and be a sustainable team, they have a couple decent goalie prospects, they're not trading Skinner for Reimer ( especially in a year where Jeff's overall game is the best it's been ). If Skinner is on the table, it'll likely be for a similar aged forward or defenseman. They're significantly under the cap ( but have been a cap team recently ) and have been acquiring draft picks. I suppose there is a way outside chance that they fold to pressure, but I don't think so.
Also, I really doubt Reimer is getting the Leafs much more than a second outside a supremely desperate gm. Lindholm? Aho and a first? Good grief.
Also, I really doubt Reimer is getting the Leafs much more than a second outside a supremely desperate gm. Lindholm? Aho and a first? Good grief.
Highlander
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Skinner is 23 which makes him far to old for our rebuild 
McGarnagle
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hockeyfan1 said:
I have a hard time reconciling 1) Komorov and Polak at equal value (2nd round pick), and 2) moving Lupul without retaining significant salary, let alone getting any sort of asset back.
Kin
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Tigger said:
Really? Francis hasn't publicly said "We're in a terrible situation. The team's up for sale with no serious interest and we haven't made the playoffs during Obama's Presidency. We're definitely open to making bad trades for a short term solution to stop our fans from continuing to bail on the team in droves".
Well then, it must not be true.
Tigger said:
Teams who make goaltending deals around the deadline don't typically do so from a position of strength. Good goalies having good seasons don't tend to be available at the deadline. When you say that you doubt Reimer fetches more than a second that's based on...what? Reto Berra only fetching a 2nd when he was a 27 year old back-up with an .897 save percentage? Because I think Reimer has a slightly stronger case right now.
bustaheims
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Tigger said:
I agree that Lindholm is a pipe dream, but Aho and a first? I could see it. Aho's an intriguing prospect, but far from a sure thing, and Carolina has two 1st round picks in this year's draft. For a team that should be desperate to earn a playoff spot, that's not exactly an unrealistic price to pay for the kind of upgrade in net Reimer could offer them - especially now that Ward is out with a concussion.