2017 Off-season Trades/Signings Discussion

[Kin]

Like Drouin was the consolation prize and in a huff Bergevin quickly shows his commitment by dropping a 6 year/5.5M deal during the introductory press conference?

Damn, that makes so much more sense in that light. The jersey he put on probably even had Duchene's name under the hastily stitched Drouin.

I don't know about a consolation prize, I don't know how much more valuable Duchene is than Drouin(he's older, more expensive and not much more productive. He's a C tho'). I think Tampa deciding to do what they did freed up Drouin and Montreal decided to go in that direction rather than continue to see if they could get Sakic to move.

I mean, outside of that, would you trade Galchenyuk for Duchene straight up? Do Danault or Gallagher move the needle at all for Colorado?

 

[Bill_Berg]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/29/the-good-and-bad-of-summer-2017-so-far-atlantic-division/

I've been meaning to poke at this, but I didn't want to do my own research; fortunately, TLN (et al) have done it for me.

This is Montreal's work this offseason so far:

IN: Jonathan Drouin, Karl Alzner, Ales Hemsky, David Schlemko, Mark Streit, Matt Taormina, Joe Morrow, Peter Holland  8), Byron Froese  ;D.

OUT: Alex Radulov, Alexei Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu, Mikhail Sergachev, Joel Hanley, Brian Flynn, Stefan Matteau, Dwight King, Andrei Markov, Nikita Nesterov, Steve Ott.

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

I didn't think it till seeing the changes all lined up like this, but the Habs may have improved. Should be a pretty competitive season in the Atlantic.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Habs are still brutal down the middle though, especially since they seem pretty sure Galchenyuk can't hack it there. Wanting to try Drouin at centre reminds me of when Randy wanted to put JVR there after we got him. Just reeks of desperation and probably won't work. He's a winger.

So they're left with Philip Danault, who they essentially used as a 1C when they got him and a soon to be 35-year old Tomas Plekanec who hit a brick wall last season and might be finished as a top-6 centre.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I also don't think Tampa is a juggernaut or anything. This is Leftwinglock's projected line-up for them:

Palat-Johnson-Kucherov
Killorn-Stamkos-Callahan
Kunitz-Point-Namestnikov
Erne-Paquette-Brown

Hedman-Dotchin
Coburn-Stralman
Koekkoek/Sergachev-Girardi

Vasilevski

That seems like a very top-heavy line-up, on both forward and defence. Their scoring depth on the wing seems especially shallow. I get that Drouin needed to go for cap reasons, but he was very key in keeping the team somewhat competitive during their injuries.

 

[bustaheims]

The Habs are still brutal down the middle though, especially since they seem pretty sure Galchenyuk can't hack it there. Wanting to try Drouin at centre reminds me of when Randy wanted to put JVR there after we got him. Just reeks of desperation and probably won't work. He's a winger.

So they're left with Philip Danault, who they essentially used as a 1C when they got him and a soon to be 35-year old Tomas Plekanec who hit a brick wall last season and might be finished as a top-6 centre.

Also, other than Weber, they basically have no one on the blueline with offence. They're really banking on Streit raising his game as a 40 year old. Their transition game is going to be terrible. Losing Markov while having traded his replacement is going to hurt them a lot.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Also, other than Weber, they basically have no one on the blueline with offence. They're really banking on Streit raising his game as a 40 year old. Their transition game is going to be terrible.

I think Petry is a good fit on the 2nd pairing. He can move the puck. He might even be able to off-set some of the mobility problems Alzner has if they're paired together.

I don't know who they plan to play with Weber though. All of his partners from last season (Markov, Emelin, and Beaulieu) are gone, and if I remember correctly the only one of those he clicked with was Markov. Putting Alzner there seems like a disaster waiting to happen, and all the other options are 3rd pairing guys (Schlemko, Davidson, Streit, Benn).

 

[Bill_Berg]

The Habs are still brutal down the middle though, especially since they seem pretty sure Galchenyuk can't hack it there. Wanting to try Drouin at centre reminds me of when Randy wanted to put JVR there after we got him. Just reeks of desperation and probably won't work. He's a winger.

So they're left with Philip Danault, who they essentially used as a 1C when they got him and a soon to be 35-year old Tomas Plekanec who hit a brick wall last season and might be finished as a top-6 centre.

Also, other than Weber, they basically have no one on the blueline with offence. They're really banking on Streit raising his game as a 40 year old. Their transition game is going to be terrible. Losing Markov while having traded his replacement is going to hurt them a lot.

They have weak points to be sure, but they had them last year and somehow managed to win the division. Of course it still feels like all rests on Price.

 

[bustaheims]

I think Petry is a good fit on the 2nd pairing. He can move the puck. He might even be able to off-set some of the mobility problems Alzner has if they're paired together.

I don't know who they plan to play with Weber though. All of his partners from last season (Markov, Emelin, and Beaulieu) are gone, and if I remember correctly the only one of those he clicked with was Markov. Putting Alzner there seems like a disaster waiting to happen, and all the other options are 3rd pairing guys (Schlemko, Davidson, Streit, Benn).

Weber and Alzner would be disaster, for sure. Two slow skating defencemen who like to deliver big hits and, therefore, often find themselves out of position? Good times for the rest of the division.

Petry might make up some of the gap, but, they still don't really have a really good puck mover to replace Markov. They have a bunch of speedy forwards paired with a group of slow defencemen. That's going to be a problem for them.

 

[bustaheims]

They have weak points to be sure, but they had them last year and somehow managed to win the division. Of course it still feels like all rests on Price.

Of course it rests all on Price. The Habs don't have have much margin for error. If their offence drops of in any meaningful way, and Price can't repeat his performances from the last two seasons - if he's only exceptional instead of super human - they'll likely drop pretty dramatically.

 

[herman]

What up, Boston?

https://twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/897182106966773760
www.twitter.com/brianlawton9/status/897182106966773760

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/897184890764111873
www.twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/897184890764111873
Dougie Hamilton had just turned 22 when he was traded.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Please, please let this happen (and then have whoever acquires him get him inked to a very team-friendly contract that Nylander can match)

 

[herman]

Please, please let this happen (and then have whoever acquires him get him inked to a very team-friendly contract that Nylander can match)

Wouldn't the team that trades for him likely sign him to something more than Boston would?

I'm really just in it to see the Bruins twist in the wind. They've got $10+ in space with 10 forwards signed. What are they waiting for?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wouldn't the team that trades for him likely sign him to something more than Boston would?

I'm really just in it to see the Bruins twist in the wind. They've got $10+ in space with 10 forwards signed. What are they waiting for?

IF Pasta is really available, I'm assuming it has less to do with money and more to do with... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyIgatcTAs

 

[herman]

Wouldn't the team that trades for him likely sign him to something more than Boston would?

I'm really just in it to see the Bruins twist in the wind. They've got $10+ in space with 10 forwards signed. What are they waiting for?

IF Pasta is really available, I'm assuming it has less to do with money and more to do with... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyIgatcTAs

Did Sweeney ever overhaul that group after Chiarelli was moved out?

https://causewaycrowd.com/2015/09/12/boston-bruins-announce-personnel-changes/
https://causewaycrowd.com/2016/09/16/boston-bruins-shakeup-front-office/

Oh hey, JFJ is part of the organization (AHL GM).

 

[bustaheims]

Boston Bruins just love trading away young talent that want to be fairly compensated.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Did Sweeney ever overhaul that group after Chiarelli was moved out?

https://causewaycrowd.com/2015/09/12/boston-bruins-announce-personnel-changes/
https://causewaycrowd.com/2016/09/16/boston-bruins-shakeup-front-office/

Oh hey, JFJ is part of the organization (AHL GM).

The three guys who all spoke about Seguin in the video:

Keith Gretzky, was the director of amateur scouting, following Chia to Edmonton.
Scott Bradley, was the director of player personnel, still with the team and currently assistant GM.
Cam Neely, then president of the team, still president of the team.

Bradley seemed to be the most vocal critic of Seguin.

 

[herman]

Did Sweeney ever overhaul that group after Chiarelli was moved out?

https://causewaycrowd.com/2015/09/12/boston-bruins-announce-personnel-changes/
https://causewaycrowd.com/2016/09/16/boston-bruins-shakeup-front-office/

Oh hey, JFJ is part of the organization (AHL GM).

The three guys who all spoke about Seguin in the video:

Keith Gretzky, was the director of amateur scouting, following Chia to Edmonton.
Scott Bradley, was the director of player personnel, still with the team and currently assistant GM.
Cam Neely, then president of the team, still president of the team.

Bradley seemed to be the most vocal critic of Seguin.

Thanks. So you're saying there's a chance? 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The Boston Herald is reporting that the Bruins' offer to Pasta right now is 6 years, $36mil ($6mil cap hit):

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2017/08/harris_latest_big_nhl_deal_complicates_bruins_david_pastrnak_talks

The article notes two things. 1) The Bruins are still using Forsberg's contract (also 6x$6mil, signed just last summer) as a comparable. 2) Boston might be reluctant to give Pasta significantly more than what Marchand signed for last summer (8 year deal, $6.125mil cap hit).

 

[Frank E]

The Boston Herald is reporting that the Bruins' offer to Pasta right now is 6 years, $36mil ($6mil cap hit):

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2017/08/harris_latest_big_nhl_deal_complicates_bruins_david_pastrnak_talks

The article notes two things. 1) The Bruins are still using Forsberg's contract (also 6x$6mil, signed just last summer) as a comparable. 2) Boston might be reluctant to give Pasta significantly more than what Marchand signed for last summer (8 year deal, $6.125mil cap hit).

Betcha it gets sawed off at $6.10 X 6.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Betcha it gets sawed off at $6.10 X 6.

I think you'd have to cut the term in half for Pasta to sign at a cap hit like that.