2017 Off-season Trades/Signings Discussion

[Kin]

It's tough because the scale right now is so wonky. 8 million seems like a lot for a 60 point center but I guess the idea is that a 70 -80 point C is going to get around 10 and above that and you're in Crosby-McDavid territory and will get 12 or so.

For a long term deal that eats a lot of UFA years I think it'll look pretty standard once more deals get done.

 

[herman]

Conor Sheary nets 3/3, which probably bodes well for our upcoming Connor Brown deal.

 

[Kin]

Conor Sheary nets 3/3, which probably bodes well for our upcoming Connor Brown deal.

Eh. I'm becoming less and less convinced that any one deal impacts any other deal these days. Or even a bunch of deals.

 

[Kin]

Niederreiter gets 5 years/5.25 per. Pretty good deal if what he did last year is a sign of things to come.

 

[herman]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/29/the-good-and-bad-of-summer-2017-so-far-atlantic-division/

I've been meaning to poke at this, but I didn't want to do my own research; fortunately, TLN (et al) have done it for me.

This is Montreal's work this offseason so far:

IN: Jonathan Drouin, Karl Alzner, Ales Hemsky, David Schlemko, Mark Streit, Matt Taormina, Joe Morrow, Peter Holland  8), Byron Froese  ;D.

OUT: Alex Radulov, Alexei Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu, Mikhail Sergachev, Joel Hanley, Brian Flynn, Stefan Matteau, Dwight King, Andrei Markov, Nikita Nesterov, Steve Ott.

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

Ottawa replaced the Marc Methot that they loved and lost rather easily to Vegas with the really old Oduya, but really haven't done anything to improve or surround Karlsson with better support.

Boston is treading water in a relatively good spot (their defense is turning over to the youth, and they are pretty good).

Florida is a poop emoji movie behind the scenes, but on the ice, if they can stave off injuries, are still quite good.

Tampa, for some reason, got Dan Girardi, but they're still probably the scariest team in our division.

Detroit is LOLs.

Buffalo has no identity, other than being the team that has no identity, but they have weapons up front.

The Leafs are largely unchanged, other than getting older overall but picking up vets with wheels. The wagon is still being dragged largely by the Big Three + Rielly and their slightly older shepherds (Gardiner, Kadri, JvR, Bozak).

 

[Bullfrog]

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

Sadly, aren't we all aging, herman? In fact, by the time you finishing reading this, you'll be older than when you started!

 

[louisstamos]

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

Sadly, aren't we all aging, herman? In fact, by the time you finishing reading this, you'll be older than when you started!

 

[herman]

You don't know how fast I'm moving.

 

[Frank E]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/29/the-good-and-bad-of-summer-2017-so-far-atlantic-division/

I've been meaning to poke at this, but I didn't want to do my own research; fortunately, TLN (et al) have done it for me.

This is Montreal's work this offseason so far:

IN: Jonathan Drouin, Karl Alzner, Ales Hemsky, David Schlemko, Mark Streit, Matt Taormina, Joe Morrow, Peter Holland  8), Byron Froese  ;D.

OUT: Alex Radulov, Alexei Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu, Mikhail Sergachev, Joel Hanley, Brian Flynn, Stefan Matteau, Dwight King, Andrei Markov, Nikita Nesterov, Steve Ott.

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

Ottawa replaced the Marc Methot that they loved and lost rather easily to Vegas with the really old Oduya, but really haven't done anything to improve or surround Karlsson with better support.

Boston is treading water in a relatively good spot (their defense is turning over to the youth, and they are pretty good).

Florida is a poop emoji movie behind the scenes, but on the ice, if they can stave off injuries, are still quite good.

Tampa, for some reason, got Dan Girardi, but they're still probably the scariest team in our division.

Detroit is LOLs.

Buffalo has no identity, other than being the team that has no identity, but they have weapons up front.

The Leafs are largely unchanged, other than getting older overall but picking up vets with wheels. The wagon is still being dragged largely by the Big Three + Rielly and their slightly older shepherds (Gardiner, Kadri, JvR, Bozak).

Was speaking with an Ottawa fan last week, and some boards think that Chabot might be NHL ready, or shortly, which might be why they went with a short deal on someone like Oduya.

 

[herman]

Was speaking with an Ottawa fan last week, and some boards think that Chabot might be NHL ready, or shortly, which might be why they went with a short deal on someone like Oduya.

I think he makes the jump too, like McAvoy and Carlo with the Bruins, and Sergachev with Tampa. I don't think he plays #2 minutes in his first season though. Toronto is well behind the 8-ball on developing young defensemen on picks outside the top-5 pick.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Was speaking with an Ottawa fan last week, and some boards think that Chabot might be NHL ready, or shortly, which might be why they went with a short deal on someone like Oduya.

I think he makes the jump too, like McAvoy and Carlo with the Bruins, and Sergachev with Tampa. I don't think he plays #2 minutes in his first season though. Toronto is well behind the 8-ball on developing young defensemen on picks outside the top-5 pick.

Dermott might be our version, I think he'll turn heads at camp and in exhibition.

I'm kinda hoping that he and Timoth will be the bottom pair.

 

[Frank E]

Was speaking with an Ottawa fan last week, and some boards think that Chabot might be NHL ready, or shortly, which might be why they went with a short deal on someone like Oduya.

I think he makes the jump too, like McAvoy and Carlo with the Bruins, and Sergachev with Tampa. I don't think he plays #2 minutes in his first season though. Toronto is well behind the 8-ball on developing young defensemen on picks outside the top-5 pick.

Ottawa has some depth there though...Chabot wouldn't have to play #2 minutes.

 

[herman]

Dermott might be our version, I think he'll turn heads at camp and in exhibition.

I'm kinda hoping that he and Timoth will be the bottom pair.

That sounds very attractive, albeit unlikely in my mind. We'll be pushing for contention, and Babcock really needs the safety blanket of big PK defenders who can block and take up space.

If Dermothy plays our 3rd pair, we'd be looking at Rielly - Zaitsev and then Hainsey - ? as our PK group, which seems unlikely. They want to scale back Zaitsev's deployment to 2/3 game phases too (I assume EV + PK, as Carrick/Rosen can easily take the PP minutes and Zaitsev's size advantage can be leveraged for PK).

Gardiner - Zaitsev
Rielly - Hainsey
Marincin - Carrick
Rosen - Marchenko

What I hope happens is that Dermothy eventually becomes our top Marlie pair this season:
Dermott - Liljegren
Borgman - LoVerde
Nielsen - Holl
Valiev - Paliotta

 

[herman]

Ottawa has some depth there though...Chabot wouldn't have to play #2 minutes.

Chabot - Karlsson sounds so awesome though.

 

[Kin]

https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/29/the-good-and-bad-of-summer-2017-so-far-atlantic-division/

I've been meaning to poke at this, but I didn't want to do my own research; fortunately, TLN (et al) have done it for me.

This is Montreal's work this offseason so far:

IN: Jonathan Drouin, Karl Alzner, Ales Hemsky, David Schlemko, Mark Streit, Matt Taormina, Joe Morrow, Peter Holland  8), Byron Froese  ;D.

OUT: Alex Radulov, Alexei Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu, Mikhail Sergachev, Joel Hanley, Brian Flynn, Stefan Matteau, Dwight King, Andrei Markov, Nikita Nesterov, Steve Ott.

and (very defensibly, but maybe not that wisely) handcuffed themselves to an aging Carey Price.

Montreal's off-season was the weirdest one for me. Looking at that list I guess you can say that they got a little better(I think Alzner's an upgrade, if not a huge one, and +Drouin but -Radulov seems like it might be a push in the near future) but I don't get the reluctance to bring Markov back on a one year deal. Like you say, Price isn't going to be your ticket to relevance forever so why aren't they making more of a push?

Like I said, weird.

Ottawa replaced the Marc Methot that they loved and lost rather easily to Vegas with the really old Oduya, but really haven't done anything to improve or surround Karlsson with better support.

Ottawa's a young enough team that I think it's fairly reasonable for them to expect most of their growth to be internal. They've got a bunch of pretty interesting NHL-readyish forward prospects so I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a bit better this year.

My big question with them, and it feels like I say this every year, is what happens when Anderson realizes how old he is/how good he isn't.

 

[herman]

Montreal's off-season was the weirdest one for me. Looking at that list I guess you can say that they got a little better(I think Alzner's an upgrade, if not a huge one, and +Drouin but -Radulov seems like it might be a push in the near future) but I don't get the reluctance to bring Markov back on a one year deal. Like you say, Price isn't going to be your ticket to relevance forever so why aren't they making more of a push?

Like I said, weird.

I think Bergevin is still sitting (or banking heavily) on a deal being made, ostensibly for Duchene. They've got 8.4M in cap space at the moment, but they've already spent one of their best trade chips in Sergachev. Not sure what their window looks like either, as once those bridge deals turn over, the cap bumps into the ceiling pretty quickly.

Ottawa's a young enough team that I think it's fairly reasonable for them to expect most of their growth to be internal. They've got a bunch of pretty interesting NHL-readyish forward prospects so I wouldn't be surprised to see them get a bit better this year.

My big question with them, and it feels like I say this every year, is what happens when Anderson realizes how old he is/how good he isn't.

I think they're hoping to bridge that transition with that 3-year deal they gave to Condon, and playing Boucher's nothing-happens style. Their closest goalie prospect appears to be Marcus Hoberg, who just had a brief taste of the AHL last season coming out of Swedish junior. They look like a team that will forever be in the mushy middle, and occasionally blow up in either direction, but never win anything.

 

[Kin]

I think Bergevin is still sitting (or banking heavily) on a deal being made, ostensibly for Duchene. They've got 8.4M in cap space at the moment, but they've already spent one of their best trade chips in Sergachev. Not sure what their window looks like either, as once those bridge deals turn over, the cap bumps into the ceiling pretty quickly.

But what could that deal look like? They don't have much in the way of high value prospects and unless Sakic is finally willing to deal Duchene on the cheap then any trade of roster players will at least be close to a push.

I think they're hoping to bridge that transition with that 3-year deal they gave to Condon, and playing Boucher's nothing-happens style. Their closest goalie prospect appears to be Marcus Hoberg, who just had a brief taste of the AHL last season coming out of Swedish junior. They look like a team that will forever be in the mushy middle, and occasionally blow up in either direction, but never win anything.

Like I said, I actually sort of think they've got a nice little window right now if Anderson can come back and play at high levels. That's a deep team that has the ammo to go out and make additions.

My one big time hope is that Erik Karlsson realizes how good he is and, even if he stays, he really makes them pay for it.

 

[herman]

But what could that deal look like? They don't have much in the way of high value prospects and unless Sakic is finally willing to deal Duchene on the cheap then any trade of roster players will at least be close to a push.

I have no idea, other than I'm pretty sure that's what they want (French players!). I don't think it happens, and I can see Bergevin left twisting in the wind.

My one big time hope is that Erik Karlsson realizes how good he is and, even if he stays, he really makes them pay for it.

If ever there was an active defenseman worth 10+M...

 

[Kin]

I have no idea, other than I'm pretty sure that's what they want (French players!). I don't think it happens, and I can see Bergevin left twisting in the wind.

That's sort of my point. I think that trade done happened and it was Drouin. If Bergevin had real hopes he could get something bigger done I think it'd have been done and Sergachev would have been a big part.

 

[herman]

I have no idea, other than I'm pretty sure that's what they want (French players!). I don't think it happens, and I can see Bergevin left twisting in the wind.

That's sort of my point. I think that trade done happened and it was Drouin. If Bergevin had real hopes he could get something bigger done I think it'd have been done and Sergachev would have been a big part.

Like Drouin was the consolation prize and in a huff Bergevin quickly shows his commitment by dropping a 6 year/5.5M deal during the introductory press conference?

Damn, that makes so much more sense in that light. The jersey he put on probably even had Duchene's name under the hastily stitched Drouin.