2018-19 Trade Talk

[Bates]

Chiarelli steps up again, Cagguila and Garruson to Chicago for Benning.

For Manning, not Benning.. Whole lot of big deal going on here with these deals..

Thanks, that was either autocorrect or brain malfunction as I knew that???

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Chiarelli is in full panic mode, rumors that more deals are coming, Dubas needs to get on that.

Edmonton's so bad though I don't even know if there's an available piece there that I'd be interested in. A guy like Puljujarvi would be intriguing but as a righty he'd still be behind Marner/Nylander plus either Kapanen or Brown. Something like Klefbom for Zaitsev could maybe work.

 

[herman]

This is so beautiful
https://www.nhl.com/news/connor-mcdavid-says-brandon-manning-intended-to-trip-him/c-284531398

https://twitter.com/sportsnetspec/status/1079517625158270976

 

[bustaheims]

More change of scenery trades!

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1063530535656570881

My god... did the Oilers actually win a trade (albeit a pretty minor one)?

Nope.

https://twitter.com/sportsnetspec/status/1079527694885314560

 

[AvroArrow]

 

[herman]

Since we are on the Oilers at the moment: Time for a quiz/poll!

Who do you think has scored more goals in the last calendar year as of today (Dec 30, 2017 to Dec 30, 2018)?
A) Milan Lucic
B) Fredrik Gauthier

 

[Zee]

Chiarelli is in full panic mode, rumors that more deals are coming, Dubas needs to get on that.

Edmonton's so bad though I don't even know if there's an available piece there that I'd be interested in. A guy like Puljujarvi would be intriguing but as a righty he'd still be behind Marner/Nylander plus either Kapanen or Brown. Something like Klefbom for Zaitsev could maybe work.

When a GM is trying to save his job you get bonehead deals where a good young prosect goes out for some established player. See Forsberg for Erat as an example

 

[Guilt Trip]

Since we are on the Oilers at the moment: Time for a quiz/poll!

Who do you think has scored more goals in the last calendar year as of today (Dec 30, 2017 to Dec 30, 2018)?
A) Milan Lucic
B) Fredrik Gauthier

B  and he's making a tenth of what Lucic is making.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Chiarelli is in full panic mode, rumors that more deals are coming, Dubas needs to get on that.

Edmonton's so bad though I don't even know if there's an available piece there that I'd be interested in. A guy like Puljujarvi would be intriguing but as a righty he'd still be behind Marner/Nylander plus either Kapanen or Brown. Something like Klefbom for Zaitsev could maybe work.

I like Nurse. I think he could become something. Wouldn't give more then Brown to get him tho.

 

[ZBBM]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

So when his contract expires in 2026 does he sign with the Leafs ala Tavares? What a trainwreck that Oiler team is. Such a waste of talent.

 

[Zee]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

How can you possibly make that trade? What would fair return be for McDavid? You'd have to gut your team to acquire him.

 

[herman]

I like Nurse. I think he could become something. Wouldn't give more then Brown to get him tho.

Aside from the fact that our LD is overloaded already, Dubas also really likes Nurse, and if all it took was Brown, then it should have already been done.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

How can you possibly make that trade? What would fair return be for McDavid? You'd have to gut your team to acquire him.

Not to compare players because Mc D's on another playing field but San Jose didn't give up much really to acquire EK65. We know it would cost a lot but would you really need to gut your team to get him? Not really sure what it would take to get him especially if he wanted out.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I like Nurse. I think he could become something. Wouldn't give more then Brown to get him tho.

Aside from the fact that our LD is overloaded already, Dubas also really likes Nurse, and if all it took was Brown, then it should have already been done.

I don't know what it would take to get him, maybe it's Brown plus a pick but I'd do it and move Gardiner out.

 

[bustaheims]

I don't know what it would take to get him, maybe it's Brown plus a pick but I'd do it and move Gardiner out.

Nope. Nurse is nowhere close to Gardiner in terms of ability to move the puck, and doesn't provide anywhere near a significant enough defensive upgrade to make up for it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I don't know what it would take to get him, maybe it's Brown plus a pick but I'd do it and move Gardiner out.

Nope. Nurse is nowhere close to Gardiner in terms of ability to move the puck, and doesn't provide anywhere near a significant enough defensive upgrade to make up for it.

Nurse also brings a physicality that Gardiner doesn't posses, is younger and a lot cheaper. We're not bringing him back so he may as well get some kind of return for him instead of letting him walk ala JVR, Bozak, Leo.

 

[bustaheims]

Nurse also brings a physicality that Gardiner doesn't posses, is younger and a lot cheaper. We're not bringing him back so he may as well get some kind of return for him instead of letting him walk ala JVR, Bozak, Leo.

That physicality is over-rated. In Nurse's case, it doesn't really result in less goals or chances against in any meaningful way - which is what any changes to the blueline should be focusing on. As for not bringing Gardiner back - the Leafs have legit Cup aspirations this season, unlike last year. They shouldn't be shipping out one of their best defencemen just because he might not be back next season.

 

[Kin]

Nurse also brings a physicality that Gardiner doesn't posses, is younger and a lot cheaper. We're not bringing him back so he may as well get some kind of return for him instead of letting him walk ala JVR, Bozak, Leo.

I'm not sure he does end up being a lot cheaper. He's signed for one more year after this at 3.2 but then he'll be looking for a new deal that'll include a bunch of UFA years. I don't know what a long term Nurse deal looks like but given the way the market tends to overvalue defensemen the Leafs probably wouldn't be much more able to keep him around long term even if he were an upgrade.

Again, it's not my favourite stat but Nurse has more giveaways than Gardiner this year.

 

[bustaheims]

Again, it's not my favourite stat but Nurse has more giveaways than Gardiner this year.

Almost certainly while having the puck on his stick less. Agree it's not a great stat, but it can indicate an issue in the proper context.