2018-19 Trade Talk

[Kin]

That physicality is over-rated. In Nurse's case, it doesn't really result in less goals or chances against in any meaningful way - which is what any changes to the blueline should be focusing on. As for not bringing Gardiner back - the Leafs have legit Cup aspirations this season, unlike last year. They shouldn't be shipping out one of their best defencemen just because he might not be back next season.

I also think the idea of his youth being a plus is kind of debatable. Gardiner is young enough that for the next 4 or 5 years, years where like you point out the Leafs should have cup aims every year, he should be able to keep playing at a high level.

Beyond that the Leafs prospect base at D is pretty good right now so I don't know what that youth actually manifests as unless the argument is that Nurse is going to get a lot better which strikes me as a weird thing to bank much on.

 

[princedpw]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

How can you possibly make that trade? What would fair return be for McDavid? You'd have to gut your team to acquire him.

Not to compare players because Mc D's on another playing field but San Jose didn't give up much really to acquire EK65. We know it would cost a lot but would you really need to gut your team to get him? Not really sure what it would take to get him especially if he wanted out.

So, are you thinking we should hold Brown out of the Nurse trade so we can use him to get McDavid?

 

[dappleganger]

What are the chances the Leafs win a cup before Sandin and Liljegren are patrolling the Leafs blue line?

 

[Zee]

If whoever replaces Chiarelli doesn't fairly quickly convince McDavid that the Oiler ship is going to righted anytime soon I can see him demanding to get out.  We could see history repeating itself as this generation's closest thing to Gretzky leaves EDM.

How can you possibly make that trade? What would fair return be for McDavid? You'd have to gut your team to acquire him.

Not to compare players because Mc D's on another playing field but San Jose didn't give up much really to acquire EK65. We know it would cost a lot but would you really need to gut your team to get him? Not really sure what it would take to get him especially if he wanted out.

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

He has the second highest CF rating among defencemen in the league, leads his team in ice-time, and has 23 points in his last 20 games.

 

[bustaheims]

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

Yeah . . . no. His offensive production isn't as strong as it was a couple years ago (though, he's still on pace for 60+ points - well above average), while he's putting up what might be his best season in terms of tilting puck possession in his team's favour. He's still a top pairing D on every team in the league.

 

[Zee]

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

Yeah . . . no. His offensive production isn't as strong as it was a couple years ago (though, he's still on pace for 60+ points - well above average), while he's putting up what might be his best season in terms of tilting puck possession in his team's favour. He's still a top pairing D on every team in the league.

Alright so he's picked it up recently including a 4 point game he just had but he's still going to be a 29 year old free agent. His return in a trade in no way would equal what McDavid would command.

 

[Kin]

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

But there's really no way for a team to trade McDavid and get better so realistically if the Oilers were to trade him it would be because they had to. In that case not only are you not likely to get a great return but you're probably further hampered by the fact that McDavid would probably have a small list of teams he'd want to go to.

I think you could get a good return, sure, but it wouldn't be some outrageous Eric Lindros-esque package.

 

[Zee]

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

But there's really no way for a team to trade McDavid and get better so realistically if the Oilers were to trade him it would be because they had to. In that case not only are you not likely to get a great return but you're probably further hampered by the fact that McDavid would probably have a small list of teams he'd want to go to.

I think you could get a good return, sure, but it wouldn't be some outrageous Eric Lindros-esque package.

Sure but there's no way you could acquire McDavid without giving up at least 1 superstar player. The Karlsson trade was just a bunch of guys, no game changers in there.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Chiarelli is in full panic mode, rumors that more deals are coming, Dubas needs to get on that.

Edmonton's so bad though I don't even know if there's an available piece there that I'd be interested in. A guy like Puljujarvi would be intriguing but as a righty he'd still be behind Marner/Nylander plus either Kapanen or Brown. Something like Klefbom for Zaitsev could maybe work.

I like Nurse. I think he could become something. Wouldn't give more then Brown to get him tho.

I haven't paid much attention to Nurse since he made the jump but I do remember the hype around him. Has he fallen that much that Brown would be enough?

 

[Bates]

The Oilers are not good now and haven't been for awhile except for a brief flirt a couple years ago. I could see them getting much better from  a McDavid trade but I'm not sure It's something I'd be willing to roll the dice on???

Way different circumstances, Karlsson is older, is going to be a UFA and has had major injury problems and doesn't look like the same player he used to be. He's been downright average in SJ. McDavid is young, on a long term contract and the best player in the game.

But there's really no way for a team to trade McDavid and get better so realistically if the Oilers were to trade him it would be because they had to. In that case not only are you not likely to get a great return but you're probably further hampered by the fact that McDavid would probably have a small list of teams he'd want to go to.

I think you could get a good return, sure, but it wouldn't be some outrageous Eric Lindros-esque package.

 

[Kin]

Sure but there's no way you could acquire McDavid without giving up at least 1 superstar player. The Karlsson trade was just a bunch of guys, no game changers in there.

Like I said, I think it depends on where he wants to go. If he's willing to accept a trade to a number of teams then the Oilers would be in a good position. If he says he wants to be a Ranger...what superstar can the Oilers get for him? And if that's their price, are they going to hold onto a very unhappy McDavid in the hopes that he broadens his list?

There's a reason that the Sharks didn't have to give up a ton for Karlsson and it's not because Karlsson isn't good or isn't valuable. If a guy wants out and has control over the situation, teams have very little ability to drive a hard bargain.

 

[Bates]

Sure but there's no way you could acquire McDavid without giving up at least 1 superstar player. The Karlsson trade was just a bunch of guys, no game changers in there.

Like I said, I think it depends on where he wants to go. If he's willing to accept a trade to a number of teams then the Oilers would be in a good position. If he says he wants to be a Ranger...what superstar can the Oilers get for him? And if that's their price, are they going to hold onto a very unhappy McDavid in the hopes that he broadens his list?

There's a reason that the Sharks didn't have to give up a ton for Karlsson and it's not because Karlsson isn't good or isn't valuable. If a guy wants out and has control over the situation, teams have very little ability to drive a hard bargain.

He has no clauses so can be traded anywhere. I can't imagine there are many places less attractive than current??

 

[Kin]

He has no clauses so can be traded anywhere. I can't imagine there are many places less attractive than current??

Even with the absence of a NTC or a NMC a player like McDavid isn't going to be an attractive commodity to a team if he isn't going to be happy going there. He'll essentially control the market regardless.

 

[Bates]

He has no clauses so can be traded anywhere. I can't imagine there are many places less attractive than current??

Even with the absence of a NTC or a NMC a player like McDavid isn't going to be an attractive commodity to a team if he isn't going to be happy going there. He'll essentially control the market regardless.

Like I said, where would be worse for him?? The list is rather small.

 

[Kin]

Another way to look at this is imagine if the Leafs could trade for him. Would I be willing to do a straight 1 for 1 Matthews/McDavid swap? Reluctantly, sure. Would the Leafs(or me in my role as Kyle Dubas) be willing to add much to that? Eh. A first maybe. One of the lesser D prospects. Maybe try to feed them what Zee's drinking and get them to be excited about Johnsson.

Beyond that? I don't want the Leafs to be the Oilers. I'd rather have the depth. 

 

[Bates]

Another way to look at this is imagine if the Leafs could trade for him. Would I be willing to do a straight 1 for 1 Matthews/McDavid swap? Reluctantly, sure. Would the Leafs(or me in my role as Kyle Dubas) be willing to add much to that? Eh. A first maybe. One of the lesser D prospects. Maybe try to feed them what Zee's drinking and get them to be excited about Johnsson.

Beyond that? I don't want the Leafs to be the Oilers. I'd rather have the depth.

Or if I was Nashville I would be willing to do Subban, another lesser D, and an above average center. I would do that for greater chance to win now.

 

[Kin]

Like I said, where would be worse for him?? The list is rather small.

If McDavid gets to a point where he's demanding a trade(which, again, is the only situation where I would see Edmonton trading him) then it seems unlikely to me that he'd be happy with anywhere that was even a marginal improvement over Edmonton. My hunch is that in that situation he'd effectively pick a few teams he'd be willing to go to based on what he likes best rather than just accepting anywhere.

This is obviously very hypothetical but like I said to my mind it would be 100% about what McDavid wanted.

 

[Kin]

Or if I was Nashville I would be willing to do Subban, another lesser D, and an above average center. I would do that for greater chance to win now.

I'm not sure what you mean by above average C, Johansen and Turris are really the only guys Nashville has that would fit that bill. Regardless, I'm pretty bummed about that if I'm an Oiler fan.

 

[Bates]

Another way to look at this is imagine if the Leafs could trade for him. Would I be willing to do a straight 1 for 1 Matthews/McDavid swap? Reluctantly, sure. Would the Leafs(or me in my role as Kyle Dubas) be willing to add much to that? Eh. A first maybe. One of the lesser D prospects. Maybe try to feed them what Zee's drinking and get them to be excited about Johnsson.

Beyond that? I don't want the Leafs to be the Oilers. I'd rather have the depth.

I'd give up Kadri or Nylander with Matthew's for McDavid. I don't think it would make the Oilers that much better though as they are really bad on D.