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2018-2019 Toronto Marlies Thread: Hail to the Champions...and Onwards!

herman said:
SV% luck absolutely does carry for 2 series or more (see Fleury for Vegas last year). 0.953 is a not a sustainable number and if we keep giving up over 30 shots a game without putting up similar or greater from our side, that regression will be rough.
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I don?t want to get into semantics with you Herman. There?s always some luck in winning hockey games and playoff rounds. I just can?t agree with you saying its mostly luck. That would imply the success of this team is mostly based on luck.

Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
 
RedLeaf said:
herman said:
SV% luck absolutely does carry for 2 series or more (see Fleury for Vegas last year). 0.953 is a not a sustainable number and if we keep giving up over 30 shots a game without putting up similar or greater from our side, that regression will be rough.
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I don?t want to get into semantics with you Herman. There?s always some luck in winning hockey games and playoff rounds. I just can?t agree with you saying its mostly luck. That would imply the success of this team is mostly based on luck.

Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
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I think we have one hell of a lot of talent, doesn't hurt that KK is standing on his head.. I remember him showing some good flashes of ability just after we signed him.  What happened in the first half of this season has made him a a better goalie. Like to read an article about what happened and when the light switch turned on.
 
RedLeaf said:
Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
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I know you don't want to get into semantics, but can you elaborate on the distinction here?
 
herman said:
RedLeaf said:
Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
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I know you don't want to get into semantics, but can you elaborate on the distinction here?
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The question reminds me of a moment years ago when a father of a young girl, maybe 4 years old, visited our house and our own young kids.  We had a toy kitchen that included many plastic food toys, including a plastic roast chicken.  Playing with his daughter, the dad referred to the toy as "a chicken".  Her bemused reply to him was, "Daddy, that's not a chicken, that's chicken".
 
herman said:
RedLeaf said:
Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
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I know you don't want to get into semantics, but can you elaborate on the distinction here?
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When you put ?mostly? in front of lucky (among other words), it implies there was more luck involved than other elements of winning like skill, talent, determination, etc.

It?s a pretty big distinction.

Are there Montreal fans on the TMLFans? Yes. Are their mostly Montreal fans on the TMLFans site? I?m comfortable saying that is a no.

 
RedLeaf said:
herman said:
RedLeaf said:
Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
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I know you don't want to get into semantics, but can you elaborate on the distinction here?
Click to expand...

When you put ?mostly? in front of lucky (among other words), it implies there was more luck involved than other elements of winning like skill, talent, determination, etc.

It?s a pretty big distinction.

Are there Montreal fans on the TMLFans? Yes. Are their mostly Montreal fans on the TMLFans site? I?m comfortable saying that is a no.
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Okay so what is your basis for that assertion?

Because from my point of view, the Marlies have won 6 games and outshot their opponent once in those 6 games. The only game they did was when they were gifted 7 power plays and potted 4 goals. Two wins were OT wins which are just coin flips (stacked because Kaskisuo is fiyah right now).
 
herman said:
RedLeaf said:
herman said:
RedLeaf said:
Are they lucky to have won 6 straight games without a loss yet in the playoffs? Absolutely.  Is this win streak mostly based on luck? Most definitely not.
Click to expand...

I know you don't want to get into semantics, but can you elaborate on the distinction here?
Click to expand...

When you put ?mostly? in front of lucky (among other words), it implies there was more luck involved than other elements of winning like skill, talent, determination, etc.

It?s a pretty big distinction.

Are there Montreal fans on the TMLFans? Yes. Are their mostly Montreal fans on the TMLFans site? I?m comfortable saying that is a no.
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Okay so what is your basis for that assertion?

Because from my point of view, the Marlies have won 6 games and outshot their opponent once in those 6 games. The only game they did was when they were gifted 7 power plays and potted 4 goals. Two wins were OT wins which are just coin flips (stacked because Kaskisuo is fiyah right now).
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I really don?t think this is worth pursuing any further Herman. Neither one of us will be able to prove how much or how little luck plays in the outcome of a hockey game , playoff series or the competitiveness of a team . You could provide stats of the six games they?ve played so far in the 2019 playoffs to try and prove your point and I would say we need to look at larger sample size and would point to their regular season record and then their playoff record last year and tell you that they won the championship last season with basically the same core group but a different goaltender and surely they don?t win nearly as much if luck is the predominant element to their success.  And this is  really all about your usage of the word ?mostly?. Let?s move on.
 
Citing small size is probably not the route I?d take to argue your point about luck, which is when luck?s effect is most pronounced.

It?s also a pretty different core of actual contributors if you check last year?s roster compared to this one. All the primary weapons were secondary options last year. The regular season is very nearly the opposite of what?s happening now: the Marlies outscored their terrible goaltending.

No one is saying the Marlies aren?t skilled and aren?t working hard. If getting outshot (heavily) 5/6 games isn?t winning mostly on luck and just a pinch of it, then that?s a misread.

Edit: If you disagree, Redleaf, I?d be happy to discuss your reasons and see if I can learn from them. Telling me you don?t want to talk about it anymore means no one learns anything other than your opinion.
 
Marlies were down 2-0 going into the second and have quickly responded with the lead in 8 minutes. They?re playing fantastic.

https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1125917773346029573
 
Beautiful PP goal by Moore. I?m guessing Cleveland just gives up now.

https://twitter.com/kpapetti/status/1125918842419646464
 
Surprising comeback . It?s like when the Marlies put it into that extra gear, they are a force to be reckoned with .

What does Keefe say to this kids during that intermission?
 
I thought they were fine in the first, other than the early hiccups putting them in the hole. But the Monsters like taking penalties for some reason.
 
There was a sequence towards the end that Moore nearly netted a hat trick on by out working his check and just putting keister between the guy and the puck

Edit: here!
https://twitter.com/nickdesouza_/status/1125922222797918208
 
Hahahaha feels a bit mean now. 5-2

Marlies have turned it on and the Monsters haven?t been able to muster much other than penalties.
 
Marchment x2
Moore x2
Carcone x2

Excellent hold of a 3 goal lead with a well executed 1-2-2 forecheck. The Marlies locked it down even though the Monsters went 6v5 for over 5 minutes.
 
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