2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
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Highlander
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Ceci actually didn't look bad in Game 5, not saying good, but not terrible, so for a million I would keep CC Ryder. Barrie can move north of real Barrie, north of Moosonee and not come back.herman said:
Guilt Trip
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Haha good one. CC isnt bad defensively. Hes just not good with the puck. His offensive side is offensive lol. As a 6-7 guy for the right price hes fine. Hes a lot better then Marincin.Hobbes said:
herman
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NHL end of season press video conference transcripts, courtesy of MLHS
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/brendan-shanahan-on-team-toughness-and-grit/
Brendan Shanahan
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/kyle-dubas-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs-depth-beyond-the-big-four/
Kyle Dubas: the one that we've seen the paraphrased tweets of
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/sheldon-keefe-end-of-season-interview/
Sheldon Keefe
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/brendan-shanahan-on-team-toughness-and-grit/
Brendan Shanahan
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/kyle-dubas-on-the-toronto-maple-leafs-depth-beyond-the-big-four/
Kyle Dubas: the one that we've seen the paraphrased tweets of
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/08/13/sheldon-keefe-end-of-season-interview/
Sheldon Keefe
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Burks looking like "to much Scotch at the end of the day" guy. I actually feel for him, after his son was killed he seemed to slide the slippery slope. Doesn't look good. Trade "Nylander"...nonsense.Bender said:
Phileas Fogg
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Highlander said:
It's not nonsense at all. There was and is a solid case for moving forward dollars and talent to the defense, and every year that goes by, Burke looks more right than wrong. Comments on his personal tragedy affecting his mindset is distasteful, at best.
Highlander
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He is a public figure and I do feel for the man. I like Burke. Sorry to upset you sensitive sensibilities.
CatScratchFever
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I miss Lou.
https://eyesonisles.com/2020/05/22/islanders-lou-lamoriello-tenure-resounding-success/
I almost never post here, but guys, I?ve gotta vent. I've been watching, waiting, hoping the vaunted Shanaplan was actually going to work. But after the past 2 wasted decades I wonder why I still care about this team. Isn?t that the definition of insanity?
I'm feeling especially sour on Dubas -- another unproven boy-genius who believes his tunnel-vision reliance on numbers beats decades of hockey horse-sense. It doesn?t. And when it comes to his handling of payroll numbers, tying up half the cap on 4 players is more like a fantasy league rookie move than the work of some hockey mastermind. He doesn't value, nor does he display toughness, either on the ice, or in salary negotiations. Thus we have the Nylander and Marner contracts: not value for money. Too cute by half. No killer instinct. No one to replace the grit and intimidation factor that players like Polak or Kadri brought to the team. Or even Uncle Leo. You cannot build a playoff team as you build a regular season team, and vice-versa. Therein lies the challenge. Balance. Guts. Compete level.
Kyle is certainly not the first GM of the Leafs to have the idea that you can buy your way to a championship. But I thought we were done with that failed idea.
https://eyesonisles.com/2020/05/22/islanders-lou-lamoriello-tenure-resounding-success/
I almost never post here, but guys, I?ve gotta vent. I've been watching, waiting, hoping the vaunted Shanaplan was actually going to work. But after the past 2 wasted decades I wonder why I still care about this team. Isn?t that the definition of insanity?
I'm feeling especially sour on Dubas -- another unproven boy-genius who believes his tunnel-vision reliance on numbers beats decades of hockey horse-sense. It doesn?t. And when it comes to his handling of payroll numbers, tying up half the cap on 4 players is more like a fantasy league rookie move than the work of some hockey mastermind. He doesn't value, nor does he display toughness, either on the ice, or in salary negotiations. Thus we have the Nylander and Marner contracts: not value for money. Too cute by half. No killer instinct. No one to replace the grit and intimidation factor that players like Polak or Kadri brought to the team. Or even Uncle Leo. You cannot build a playoff team as you build a regular season team, and vice-versa. Therein lies the challenge. Balance. Guts. Compete level.
Kyle is certainly not the first GM of the Leafs to have the idea that you can buy your way to a championship. But I thought we were done with that failed idea.
Highlander
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Hi CSF, nice to have you post. Number one, who ever said Dubas is a complete Moneyball guy, far from it. Moves were made to add some grit; Muzzin and Clifford are grit players and Cup winners. Also Ontario farm boys. Dubas readily admits he is learning and open to other ways of thinking, he is not so myopic to think that the train tracks actually do converge.
As Nik has more eloquently posted, we are very early in this rebuild and that it holds promise, Dubas was saddled with a coach he had no faith in, one that had totally lost the team and Babcock ran our training camp and early season, until the powers that be (Larry T), let him switch out to Keefe.
Keefe has to be given the opportunity to bring in his own assistants and run a full training camp. To judge the Leafs on this past 5 game series is a joke, I truly believe with Muzzin in the lineup and a goal by Tavares on that empty net shot may have ended up with us winning. We didn't, most of us have gotten over this.
We know for certain the first upgrade on D will be by omission, Barrie is gone, Ceci if retained would be at bargain basement prices and push Marv out. However I think Ceci will go. In any case I think we all agree that Sandin has top 4 potential and could end up being a huge plus factor on our D. He has been given development time in the AHL which is contrary to past Leaf administrations ruining young talent without any seasoning. Liljegren the same, at least 2-3 years in the AHL.
Lehtonen is a question mark but is regarded as one of the best D in the KHL.
We just gotta hold course and not knee jerk into another administration that has all the right answers. i.e Burke saying we need "Truculence and Testosterone" (that really worked out didn't it). Anyone want Ron Wilson or Randy C back as head coach?
As Nik has more eloquently posted, we are very early in this rebuild and that it holds promise, Dubas was saddled with a coach he had no faith in, one that had totally lost the team and Babcock ran our training camp and early season, until the powers that be (Larry T), let him switch out to Keefe.
Keefe has to be given the opportunity to bring in his own assistants and run a full training camp. To judge the Leafs on this past 5 game series is a joke, I truly believe with Muzzin in the lineup and a goal by Tavares on that empty net shot may have ended up with us winning. We didn't, most of us have gotten over this.
We know for certain the first upgrade on D will be by omission, Barrie is gone, Ceci if retained would be at bargain basement prices and push Marv out. However I think Ceci will go. In any case I think we all agree that Sandin has top 4 potential and could end up being a huge plus factor on our D. He has been given development time in the AHL which is contrary to past Leaf administrations ruining young talent without any seasoning. Liljegren the same, at least 2-3 years in the AHL.
Lehtonen is a question mark but is regarded as one of the best D in the KHL.
We just gotta hold course and not knee jerk into another administration that has all the right answers. i.e Burke saying we need "Truculence and Testosterone" (that really worked out didn't it). Anyone want Ron Wilson or Randy C back as head coach?
Highlander
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Some eloquent shit Nik, I give you credit for that. You do have a big brain.Nik said:
Phileas Fogg
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Highlander said:
Well, you didn't get comprehension, but you got a compliment. Both start with a c, at least.
Phileas Fogg
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Regarding the age old canard of "toughness", I don't recall at any time this year that the team needed it added as an overriding attribute, anyway. Clifford really didn't wow me with any contribution post acquisition apart from giving that CBJ player a concussion, and it's hard to get behind that personally as a must-have skillset.
I remember not long ago when the "grit" talk got us david clarkson, so best to tread lightly. I must admit though, I had a very soft spot for leo komorov, who I think became a bit of a whipping boy, but I thought was underrated in terms of his contribution. Put me down for a few of those.
At any rate, the deficiencies for me begin and end at defence (and hemorrhaging 1st rounders)
I remember not long ago when the "grit" talk got us david clarkson, so best to tread lightly. I must admit though, I had a very soft spot for leo komorov, who I think became a bit of a whipping boy, but I thought was underrated in terms of his contribution. Put me down for a few of those.
At any rate, the deficiencies for me begin and end at defence (and hemorrhaging 1st rounders)