2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
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Guilt Trip
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No I was offering up a comparable on an aging goalie who's best days are far behind them. I dont want either. I want a Kuemper for Freddie deal.CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip said:
Fair. I'd definitely be interested in Kuemper but don't really want to give up the 15th overall pick. But if we can trade Andersen for a 1st to a team that will benefit a lot from his $1mil salary then I'd be fine flipping that pick to Arizona for him. If we did that, signed Brodie to a $5mil deal, signed Mikheyev and Rodrigues to $1.5mil deals and traded Johnsson and Dermott away you'd have a roster that looks like:
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Kerfoot-Barabanov
Engvall-Rodrigues-Spezza
$900k 13th forward
Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Liljegren
Lehtonen
Kuemper
Campbell
That's just a smidge under the cap. If you wanted to clear a bit of space you could replace Engvall and Rodrigues with guys closer to league minimum. That would either give you room to bring Dermott back (albeit in a strictly bottom pair role) or sign a veteran like Thornton or Simmonds to give the bottom-6 a new look.
Guilt Trip
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Why would we have to give up the 1st to get Kuemper? All I've heard is Arizona wants to dump salary so trade them one for one. Arizona gets almost as good a goalie for a million dollars. They'll save, in actual cash, 2.5 mill this year and 5.5 next season. That's an 8 million dollar savings. Yes they'll have to get another goalie for next season but even at say 3 mill, they're still ahead 5 mill. Leafs will save 500k in Cap and have a goalie for 2 years.CarltonTheBear said:
Am I way off here?
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
I'm not sure Arizona goes for a 1-for-1 swap because Kuemper has an extra year on his contract, but if Andersen is involved, a 1st round pick shouldn't be.
That's a big if, though. Arizona doesn't have a ton of cap space, and I'm not sure they'd want $9.25M of it tied up with their goalies.
Guilt Trip
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Good point but it's only a 500k increase in Cap and 5 times that in actual cash savings. They are apparently shopping everyone so we'll see but I think they can do it.bustaheims said:
Guilt Trip said:
They need to replenish their draft picks and are probably fine with using Raanta/Hill as their goalies next year. I can't see them having much interest in one year of Andersen especially if they're looking to cut even more cash beyond Kuemper like Stepan. That'd be a signal they don't have much hope for next season so getting futures back just makes more sense.
If 2 years of Kuemper goes for anything less than a 1st I'd be pretty shocked.
Also just in case it wasn't clear I never said it'd be Andersen + a 1st for Kuemper.
L K said:
Lehner was a pending UFA who had a big salary that some teams might not have been able to fit in even at the deadline (like you said, they even needed to get the Leafs involved to eat salary so he could fit in with Vegas). That was also at a point where most teams aren't exactly looking to change starting goalies so the demand was lower than it would be now.
Andersen still has a full year left on his contract. Now if his salary matched his AAV it might be tough to get a 1st rounder out of him. But with a $1mil salary I think a number of teams with owners who just lost a crap ton of money will be interested in him.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
I think the only way it works is the exceptionally rare 3 team deal. So, you know, not happening and all.
Guilt Trip
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Makes sense. I was just looking at it from a cash savings and didn't consider their loss of picks.CarltonTheBear said:
Guilt Trip
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That could happen. Leafs actually had Lehner at the deadline last year lol. Let's say it's possible. What team do you think would be involved?bustaheims said:
bustaheims said:
It's not really a 3-way trade since all 3 teams wouldn't be dealing with each other. It'd just be Dubas talking to 2 GMs at the same time. I guess to make it simpler the Leafs would be dangling their 2021 1st round pick while acquiring someone elses 1st rounder for Andersen to replace that. I don't really think that's out of the realm of possibility. It'd be no different than the Leafs signing Pietrangelo or Brodie and having deals in place with other teams to make the necessary cap clearing moves afterward.
Guilt Trip said:
Arizona also seems to like Hill. He had good numbers last season while they ran into injuries and they just signed him to a 1-way contract. Raanta's injury history would mean they'd need to beef up their 3rd goalie position but I think they'd be comfortable with that pair considering the circumstances.
bustaheims
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Guilt Trip said:
That's where things get complicated. The teams that might be willing to move a 1st round pick to Arizona to get Andersen from Toronto are hard to identify. There aren't any obvious ones that I don't see waiting to at least check on the UFA market.
Buffalo and Carolina are both teams that jump out at me that would probably be very interested in a $5mil goalie who only costs $1mil.
Buffalo's pick would of course need to be lottery protected, or we'd need to take a pair of 2nds or something instead considering where their 1sts might be in the next couple of years.
Buffalo's pick would of course need to be lottery protected, or we'd need to take a pair of 2nds or something instead considering where their 1sts might be in the next couple of years.
Guilt Trip
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That's right. I forgot about them signing him to a one way deal. Oh and I didn't think you said Anderson and a 1st.CarltonTheBear said:
Since we were talking about him:
https://twitter.com/berezin_goal/status/1308874051201495040
https://twitter.com/berezin_goal/status/1308874051201495040