2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
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Guilt Trip
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Leafs could end up trading for a D man.
Reilly, Muzzin, Rosen, Borgman, Liljegren, Holl... Dermott. Outside chance of Sandin, Hollowell, Duszak, Lindgren.
I absolutely loved Borgman's games that I saw him play. Rosen is ready and Liljegren is very close. Hainsey on the cheap would be ok but Babs will play him with Reilly. Leafs shoukd be ok if a couoke of Marlies step up.
Reilly, Muzzin, Rosen, Borgman, Liljegren, Holl... Dermott. Outside chance of Sandin, Hollowell, Duszak, Lindgren.
I absolutely loved Borgman's games that I saw him play. Rosen is ready and Liljegren is very close. Hainsey on the cheap would be ok but Babs will play him with Reilly. Leafs shoukd be ok if a couoke of Marlies step up.
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Dont see Kappy being moved to sweeten the pot. He won't be a throw in. Maybe pay of a trade thojdh1 said:
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True. I thought Zaitsev improved after he was paired with the Muzz and away from Gardiner. They did pretty well against Boston. He does have some value. Don't know his exact worth though.Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
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Nik the Trik said:
In the case of Johnsson and Kapanen, the term plays into it, I think. Yes, the Leafs can afford any reasonable 2 or 3 year offer either would get, but Leafs simply wouldn't be able to fit much more than a bridge under the cap. If some team decides Kapanen is a good bet for a 5 year deal at $4.25m or whatever -- which I think most of us would rate a good, fair, not too high deal -- then the Leafs would probably be stuck with a 2nd.
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mr grieves said:
But I think that sort of goes right into why teams generally speaking don't make those sorts of offers. Just about every team in the league has at least one if not multiple young guys who could be in Kapanen's position in a few years time(20 or so goals, 45 or so points). So it's not really about whether or not Kapanen is a good bet at 21 million over five years or so, because I agree that's a smarter investment than trying to add scoring via the UFA market, it's about whether or not they want to establish that as the market they have to deal with when negotiating with their own RFA's. Year after year after year, we've seen teams don't want to blow up their own ability to navigate the cap to add a mid-tier RFA.
If that idea, the sort of offer to Kapanen you're talking about, was seen as a good and smart move by GMs then I think what you'd see on the part of teams in the situations the Leafs are in is doing what Busta said and be proactive about it. If Kapanen at that sort of deal represented a really good value while also being something the Leafs couldn't match then it probably wouldn't just be something that occurred to one lone wolf team and Dubas could pre-emptively trade Kapanen for more than a 2nd.
mr grieves said:
I'm not saying that this would be AS BAD... but the Zaitsev contract should be a lesson to us that signing a player to a pretty hefty long-term deal after a single full season in which he mostly played in a role he won't continue playing in might not be a great idea. In Zaitsev's case, he got paid for a season where he received a ton of PP time and pretty much everyone on the planet knew that Rielly was going to replace him there. In Kapanen's case, he'd be getting paid for a season where he spent most of the season as Matthews' winger and again we can be pretty confident that Nylander is going to take back a good chunk of those minutes.
I know your point was more about offer sheets, but just wanted to give my two cents on that contract possibility. It's probably a really good thing that we're being forced into a bridge deal for Kapanen. Let's see what sort of numbers he puts up on a 3rd line role with Kadri for a full season.
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/30/18646291/toronto-maple-leafs-rumors-nikita-zaitsev-maple-leafs-trades-nhl-trades-maple-leafs-defence
It sounds like Zaitsev can't handle the T.O. spotlight. FYI, Toronto's D has been S@$%.
It sounds like Zaitsev can't handle the T.O. spotlight. FYI, Toronto's D has been S@$%.
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cabber24 said:
I don't know if it's lost in translation but what the hell is Zaitsev talking about with people turning on Muzzin days after the trade? He was quickly becoming a fan favorite, had a small dip in play but then was strong again into the playoffs. I don't ever remember fans turning on him.
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cabber24 said:
I suppose, but it was nothing egregious talking about Muzzin, and he also got huge cheers from the crowd whenever he bodychecked anyone. To go from that to :
seems like quite the stretch to me. Like c'mon Nikita, players in every sport will get criticized at some point, grow a set buddy.
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Zee said:
Boohoo the crazy old man on the TV said very bad things about me.
I really wouldn't put that much stock in translated interviews. Most of that story seems to be the author's own views as opposed to Zaitsev. Especially all the talk about the Athletic. That seems to be the author's own analysis to show how the media views him. I could be wrong but I don't see Zaitsev saying "the Athletic is mean to me" or anything like that anywhere.
From what I can tell Zaitsev 1) trashes Don Cherry, which is always acceptable in any language, 2) talks about how defencemen only get blame for the goals they're on the ice for, not how many they prevent... which I mean yeah that's true, 3) says that fans turned on Muzzin after some early struggles... which again isn't entirely false, and 4) seems to complain a little about being stuck in a defence-only role with the Leafs. That 4th point is what stuck out the most to me and could be a reason behind the trade request. But I'd imagine there's gotta be other stuff going on too. If that was it he could have tried working with the coaching staff about adjusting his role.
But all in all, nothing he was was unprofessional or childish.
From what I can tell Zaitsev 1) trashes Don Cherry, which is always acceptable in any language, 2) talks about how defencemen only get blame for the goals they're on the ice for, not how many they prevent... which I mean yeah that's true, 3) says that fans turned on Muzzin after some early struggles... which again isn't entirely false, and 4) seems to complain a little about being stuck in a defence-only role with the Leafs. That 4th point is what stuck out the most to me and could be a reason behind the trade request. But I'd imagine there's gotta be other stuff going on too. If that was it he could have tried working with the coaching staff about adjusting his role.
But all in all, nothing he was was unprofessional or childish.