2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[herman]

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12. MacKenzie Weegar?s a popular name. Anaheim, Boston, Colorado, Toronto and Winnipeg are among those who have checked in. It is believed the Maple Leafs turned down a Travis Dermott/Andreas Johnsson request. Tyson Jost was discussed with the Avalanche and Jack Roslovic with the Jets. Roslovic is headed for a fresh start.

Took me longer to get from 2 to 12. Yeah that's a tough one. I'd have probably made that trade. Guess we'll look back at that one in a couple years once Dermott and Anderson develop a little more and see if the right call was made.

Weegar is a right handed defenseman that actually prefers the left side (so weird). Dermott is a younger, bigger left shot defenseman that can potentially play the right side.

 

[Kin]

I may be reading too much into it but given that the Leafs haven't moved Dermott despite it being fairly easy and explainable for them to do so, I think you have to conclude that they're still fairly high on him.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Also:

12. MacKenzie Weegar?s a popular name. Anaheim, Boston, Colorado, Toronto and Winnipeg are among those who have checked in. It is believed the Maple Leafs turned down a Travis Dermott/Andreas Johnsson request. Tyson Jost was discussed with the Avalanche and Jack Roslovic with the Jets. Roslovic is headed for a fresh start.

Took me longer to get from 2 to 12. Yeah that's a tough one. I'd have probably made that trade. Guess we'll look back at that one in a couple years once Dermott and Anderson develop a little more and see if the right call was made.

I'm on the fence with that one if it's true. If Weegar was a RD then I would probably make the move, but he isn't. He plays the left side and we're already loaded there. If Dubas' plan is to convert Dermott to the right side then it really doesn't make sense to trade him unless there's a trade you can't say no to. I think Dermott has too much upside to give up on right now. I also think that Anderson is going to surprise some going forward. They say he plays like Hyman and if he turns into Hyman 2.0, we're good. Time will tell though.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Also:

12. MacKenzie Weegar?s a popular name. Anaheim, Boston, Colorado, Toronto and Winnipeg are among those who have checked in. It is believed the Maple Leafs turned down a Travis Dermott/Andreas Johnsson request. Tyson Jost was discussed with the Avalanche and Jack Roslovic with the Jets. Roslovic is headed for a fresh start.

Took me longer to get from 2 to 12. Yeah that's a tough one. I'd have probably made that trade. Guess we'll look back at that one in a couple years once Dermott and Anderson develop a little more and see if the right call was made.

Weegar is a right handed defenseman that actually prefers the left side (so weird). Dermott is a younger, bigger left shot defenseman that can potentially play the right side.

Much like Brodie. He said he moved to the right because it would give him a better chance to make it because so many guys were lefties. There are lots of wingers that prefer to play their off wings so I guess it's the same.

I may be reading too much into it but given that the Leafs haven't moved Dermott despite it being fairly easy and explainable for them to do so, I think you have to conclude that they're still fairly high on him.

Dubas said the plan was for Dermott to go on the right side and he'll be a top 4 in a few years. That would tell me they're still high on him. I still have high hopes for him. Kid has the tools.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1316400819676368896

That's 4.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It's possible the Leafs are waiting on Mikheyev's contract to finalize a salary for Thornton (or it's also entirely possible Thornton is just enjoying himself in Switzerland and hasn't decided yet). But if Mikheyev got $2mil or something higher than the Leafs expect in arbitration it could be tougher to fit Thornton in.

On that note, Mikheyev's arbitration hearing is scheduled for October 21st. So one way or another we'll know what his AAV will be in about a week.

 

[Kin]

Dubas said the plan was for Dermott to go on the right side and he'll be a top 4 in a few years. That would tell me they're still high on him. I still have high hopes for him. Kid has the tools.

He's going to be 24 in a few months. That doesn't mean he doesn't have room to grow but we shouldn't be talking about him like he's 19 either. If he's not a top 4 sort of defenseman effectively now then it would be an unusual growth curve for him to get there when he's 26.

 

[Bullfrog]

https://twitter.com/kungfu_canuck/status/1316102973093810181

lol

He retracted:

The only remaining question is if the Blues will ask the NHL to investigate for tampering. (EDIT: I had initially written here I believed the last team to be investigated was Toronto, after John Tavares. The Islanders reached out to say that they never asked for an investigation.)

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dubas said the plan was for Dermott to go on the right side and he'll be a top 4 in a few years. That would tell me they're still high on him. I still have high hopes for him. Kid has the tools.

He's going to be 24 in a few months. That doesn't mean he doesn't have room to grow but we shouldn't be talking about him like he's 19 either. If he's not a top 4 sort of defenseman effectively now then it would be an unusual growth curve for him to get there when he's 26.

Not talking like he's 19 but in terms of NHL time, he's still very young(150 games). D usually take longer to get there. For me, he is a borderline top 4 guy now, meaning he has the tools to be one, but hasn't put it all together yet consistently. Can he become that in the next few years, who knows? Dubas and company think he can. Not much to lose here. At worst though, he'll be an NHL D man who can play both sides.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He retracted:

The only remaining question is if the Blues will ask the NHL to investigate for tampering. (EDIT: I had initially written here I believed the last team to be investigated was Toronto, after John Tavares. The Islanders reached out to say that they never asked for an investigation.)

The language there makes me think it's something like 'the Islanders never asked for an investigation... they just suggested that Toronto may have tampered and maybe if the NHL was free they could look into it'.

The other possibility I guess is another team like San Jose may have lodged the complaint.

 

[ZBBM]

Dubas said the plan was for Dermott to go on the right side and he'll be a top 4 in a few years. That would tell me they're still high on him. I still have high hopes for him. Kid has the tools.

He's going to be 24 in a few months. That doesn't mean he doesn't have room to grow but we shouldn't be talking about him like he's 19 either. If he's not a top 4 sort of defenseman effectively now then it would be an unusual growth curve for him to get there when he's 26.

"Hi Justin, this is Travis.  How'd you manage it?"

 

[Kin]

For what it's worth I don't really buy the "d take longer to develop" argument here. I agree it's generally true but that's already being factored into analysis of Dermott as a guy who's about to be 24.

TJ Brodie, a 4th round pick, was getting 24 minutes a night when he was Dermott's age. Muzzin was likewise already a top 4 guy despite one of the weirder paths to the NHL. I think that if you look through most good top 4 defensemen you'll find they were already there in their draft+6 year.

So, again, not saying he has no room for growth but we really shouldn't be talking about him in a "who knows what he'll be in a few years" sense either.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Dubas said the plan was for Dermott to go on the right side and he'll be a top 4 in a few years. That would tell me they're still high on him. I still have high hopes for him. Kid has the tools.

He's going to be 24 in a few months. That doesn't mean he doesn't have room to grow but we shouldn't be talking about him like he's 19 either. If he's not a top 4 sort of defenseman effectively now then it would be an unusual growth curve for him to get there when he's 26.

Jake Muzzin didn't make the NHL full-time until he was 24. Brodie was 23 when he stuck full-time in the NHL. Presumably neither of them was top 4 in the NHL before that age if they were splitting time in the AHL. They're both legitimate top 4 D now.

 

[Kin]

Jake Muzzin didn't make the NHL full-time until he was 24.

I mean, that's not strictly speaking true. He was 23. Sure, by a month, but that's because it was the second lockout year and he probably would have made the team in September 2012 if that was when the season started. In his second full year in the NHL, when he was 24/25, he played 19 minutes a night in the regular season and then 23 minutes a night for a team that won the cup. Brodie likewise was a top 4 defenseman already.

Again, Dermott may take that step this year, I'm not ruling it out. But we shouldn't be talking about him and what he might be in "a couple years" because even in the cases you mention, and where I think you're a little wrong about, those were guys who at 24 were top 4 defensemen.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Jake Muzzin didn't make the NHL full-time until he was 24.

I mean, that's not strictly speaking true. He was 23. Sure, by a month, but that's because it was the second lockout year and he probably would have made the team in September 2012 if that was when the season started. In his second full year in the NHL, when he was 24/25, he played 19 minutes a night in the regular season and then 23 minutes a night for a team that won the cup. Brodie likewise was a top 4 defenseman already.

Again, Dermott may take that step this year, I'm not ruling it out. But we shouldn't be talking about him and what he might be in "a couple years" because even in the cases you mention, and where I think you're a little wrong about, those were guys who at 24 were top 4 defensemen.

The couple of years comes in to him playing on the right side. Not the left.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Just to add. This could all be a mute point because Sandin may force his way on the team and then all bets are off because someone will have to go. I still think the Leafs hold him back because he's waiver exempt.

 

[Frank E]

A moo point.

 

[Joe S.]

A moo point.

It?s like a cow?s opinion. It doesn?t matter.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

It's a moops/moors point regardless, because injuries happen, and they need a 7-8 ready to step in. Trading that depth away seems premature.

 

[Kin]

It's a moops/moors point regardless, because injuries happen, and they need a 7-8 ready to step in. Trading that depth away seems premature.

Right but this was in the context of trading him for Weegar so it doesn't affect the depth on D.