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2020 Trade Deadline Activity

bustaheims said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/fan960wills/status/1232007677678620672

Can?t even just go take a leak in the middle of practice today without someone tweeting about it

Dominoes! (Pizza just arrived)

https://twitter.com/wesgilbertson/status/1232014879512502272

#insiderrr #leak
 
Bender said:
Frank E said:
I'm getting ready to be angry about Dubas not committing to a course of action here.
Same here. Hoping something shakes out. I don't mind not adding but it's just bad asset management to spin a player with term into a UFA and then let them walk. Bozak/JVR all over again.

Takes two to tango...

Worth noting that Green is the only D to move so far. #BiddingWarForD?
 
Hobbes said:
Takes two to tango...

Worth noting that Green is the only D to move so far. #BiddingWarForD?

That's largely because most of the D moves were made early.

That being said, if Dubas doesn't do anything significant, so be it. There might not be good options out there, and, at least we wouldn't have sent out quality assets for short-term fixes.
 
The problem with comparing the Barrie situation to the JVR/Bozak situation is that the time frame is so different. If all you can get for Barrie is a 2nd round pick then, as a potential player, you're realistically not talking about an actual body on the roster for 3 or 4 years.

So I don't think there's an urgency here.
 
Hobbes said:
Bender said:
Frank E said:
I'm getting ready to be angry about Dubas not committing to a course of action here.
Same here. Hoping something shakes out. I don't mind not adding but it's just bad asset management to spin a player with term into a UFA and then let them walk. Bozak/JVR all over again.

Takes two to tango...

Worth noting that Green is the only D to move so far. #BiddingWarForD?

Gustafson
 
Gustafsson is probably not a terrible example of what a Barrie return would be.  High offensive production the previous year and decreased performance this year.  Barrie is a better defenseman but not a horrible comparison
 
Nik Bethune said:
The problem with comparing the Barrie situation to the JVR/Bozak situation is that the time frame is so different. If all you can get for Barrie is a 2nd round pick then, as a potential player, you're realistically not talking about an actual body on the roster for 3 or 4 years.

So I don't think there's an urgency here.
This is true. I guess I'm hoping for more.
 
L K said:
Gustafsson is probably not a terrible example of what a Barrie return would be.  High offensive production the previous year and decreased performance this year.  Barrie is a better defenseman but not a horrible comparison

Hard to judge since the Gustafsson trade is still not official, and we don't really know the return.
 
There's something...

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1232023844367544323

Not something important, but something.

EDIT: Or, maybe...

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1232024292721856513

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1232024439421898758
 
Bender said:
Nik Bethune said:
The problem with comparing the Barrie situation to the JVR/Bozak situation is that the time frame is so different. If all you can get for Barrie is a 2nd round pick then, as a potential player, you're realistically not talking about an actual body on the roster for 3 or 4 years.

So I don't think there's an urgency here.
This is true. I guess I'm hoping for more.
Even if it's a 1st round pick it's coming from a contender, not a bottom-feeder (the bottom-feeder would keep the pick), which makes it a late round pick who is also maybe a 50:50 shot to make the NHL and wouldn't have a sniff at making the leap to the Leafs before the '21-22 season and probably wouldn't move the needle until a year or two later.

I won't be all that upset if we end up doing nothing (barring someone getting silly with an offer).
 
Ultimately I just don't think trading Barrie is likely. The return's probably not high enough to justify the signal that you're giving up on the season.
 
Hobbes said:
Bender said:
Nik Bethune said:
The problem with comparing the Barrie situation to the JVR/Bozak situation is that the time frame is so different. If all you can get for Barrie is a 2nd round pick then, as a potential player, you're realistically not talking about an actual body on the roster for 3 or 4 years.

So I don't think there's an urgency here.
This is true. I guess I'm hoping for more.
Even if it's a 1st round pick it's coming from a contender, not a bottom-feeder (the bottom-feeder would keep the pick), which makes it a late round pick who is also maybe a 50:50 shot to make the NHL and wouldn't have a sniff at making the leap to the Leafs before the '21-22 season and probably wouldn't move the needle until a year or two later.

I won't be all that upset if we end up doing nothing (barring someone getting silly with an offer).
That pick might help the Leafs acquire another defenseman, perhaps during the summer. If they can get that much for Barrie I think they should. But if not, I'm fine with them doing nothing more. The team isn't close enough to contending to be spending assets on short-term fixes. Let the players and coaching staff work through the adversity. How they respond will help Dubas decide who should be moved out during the summer.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Ultimately I just don't think trading Barrie is likely. The return's probably not high enough to justify the signal that you're giving up on the season.

And, if the plan was to flip the assets you get for him into another defenceman, that just makes it too complicated a move to make approaching the deadline.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Ultimately I just don't think trading Barrie is likely. The return's probably not high enough to justify the signal that you're giving up on the season.

Agreed. As I said when this came up in the armchair GM thread I think you needed a 1st to get the Leafs interested in a trade. And despite recent reports that got my hopes up, I don't see other teams valuing Barrie like that right now. Teams typically don't splurge on offensive defencemen at the deadline.
 
Not making any move to help the team for this year's run is a passive-aggressive way of telling them that they haven't played well enough to warrant spending assets to bolster their chances. Not trading Barrie also puts the onus back on the players to salvage their own season without giving them any sort of excuse about management pulling the rug out from under their feet by trading away their best RD.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Ultimately I just don't think trading Barrie is likely. The return's probably not high enough to justify the signal that you're giving up on the season.

Agreed.  Had Rielly not been injured, I could see it making sense to move Barrie if a quality deal presented itself.  At this point, I wouldn't be comfortable seeing the team head towards the playoff push minus Rielly and Barrie.
 

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